How to Find the Curve σ from Intersection of Surfaces?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the integral $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$, where $\sigma$ is defined as the curve resulting from the intersection of the surfaces given by the equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and parameterization of the curve, as well as the orientation and interval for the parameterization.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to obtain the curve $\sigma$ from the intersection of the two surfaces.
  • Another participant proposes a method to express $y$ in terms of $x$ and simplifies the equation to find the intersection, leading to the conclusion that the intersection forms an ellipse.
  • A later reply provides a parameterization of the curve $\sigma$ using trigonometric functions, suggesting $x=\frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} \cos(\theta)-1$, $y=3-\frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} \cos(\theta)$, and $z=\sqrt{3} \sin(\theta)$.
  • Further exploration leads to a different parameterization expressed as $\sigma(t)=(\cos t +1, 1-\cos t, \sqrt{2}\sin t)$, with a question about determining the interval for $t$.
  • Participants discuss the orientation of the curve and agree on the interval for $t$ being from 0 to $2\pi$, noting that this corresponds to the parameterization of an ellipse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the parameterization of the curve and the interval for $t$. However, there is uncertainty regarding how to determine the orientation of the curve.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the orientation and the method for determining the interval of $t$ are not fully resolved, leaving room for further exploration.

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Hey! :o

I want t calculate $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ when $\sigma$ is the curve that traces once the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$ with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$. We have that $$\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)=\int_{\sigma}(y, z, x)\cdot (dx,dy,dz)=\int_{\sigma}f(x,y,z)\cdot d\sigma$$ with $f(x,y,z)= (y, z, x)$.

The curve $\sigma$ is the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$.
So, we have that $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y) \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=2\cdot 2 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=4$.

How can we get the curve $\sigma$ ? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I want t calculate $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ when $\sigma$ is the curve that traces once the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$ with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$. We have that $$\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)=\int_{\sigma}(y, z, x)\cdot (dx,dy,dz)=\int_{\sigma}f(x,y,z)\cdot d\sigma$$ with $f(x,y,z)= (y, z, x)$.

The curve $\sigma$ is the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$.
So, we have that $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y) \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=2\cdot 2 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=4$.

How can we get the curve $\sigma$ ? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
Since x+ y= 2, y= 2- x. Then $x^2+ y^2+ z^2= x^2+ x^2- 4x+ 4+ z^2= 2(x^2- 2x+ 2)+ z^2= 4$. Completing the square, $2(x^2- 2x+ 1)+ 1+ z^2= 2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2+ 1= 4$. $2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2= 3$, an ellipse. To parameterize it, let $x= \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} cos(\theta)- 1$, $y= 2- x= 3- \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}cos(\theta)$, and $z= \sqrt{3} sin(\theta)$.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Since x+ y= 2, y= 2- x. Then $x^2+ y^2+ z^2= x^2+ x^2- 4x+ 4+ z^2= 2(x^2- 2x+ 2)+ z^2= 4$. Completing the square, $2(x^2- 2x+ 1)+ 1+ z^2= 2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2+ 1= 4$. $2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2= 3$, an ellipse. To parameterize it, let $x= \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} cos(\theta)- 1$, $y= 2- x= 3- \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}cos(\theta)$, and $z= \sqrt{3} sin(\theta)$.

Ah ok!

So, we have the following:

\begin{align*}x^2+y^2+z^2=4 & \Rightarrow x^2+(2-x)^2+z^2=4 \\ & \Rightarrow x^2+4-4x+x^2+z^2=4 \\ & \Rightarrow 2x^2-4x+z^2=0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x^2-2x)+z^2 =0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x^2-2x+1-1)+z^2 =0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x-1)^2-2+z^2=0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x-1)^2+z^2=2 \\ & \Rightarrow (x-1)^2+\frac{z^2}{2}=1 \\ & \Rightarrow (x-1)^2+\left (\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}\right )^2=1\end{align*}
So, we set $x-1=\cos t\Rightarrow x=\cos t+1$ and $\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}=\sin t\Rightarrow z=\sqrt{2}\sin t$. Then $y=2-x =1-\cos t$.

Therefore, we get the curve $\sigma (t)=(\cos t +1, 1-\cos t, \sqrt{2}\sin t)$, right? (Wondering)
mathmari said:
with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$.

Do we use this information to determine the interval of $t$ ? (Wondering)
 
Yep. If we fill in the result in the original equations, everything fits! (Happy)

I don't how we're supposed to find the orientation, but the interval is 0 to 2pi, since that's the interval for an ellipse. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. If we fill in the result in the original equations, everything fits! (Happy)

I don't how we're supposed to find the orientation, but the interval is 0 to 2pi, since that's the interval for an ellipse. (Thinking)

Thank you! (Smile)
 

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