MHB How to Find the Curve σ from Intersection of Surfaces?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the integral of the form $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ along the curve $\sigma$, which is defined as the intersection of the surfaces given by the equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$. The curve is parameterized as $\sigma(t)=(\cos t +1, 1-\cos t, \sqrt{2}\sin t)$, with the parameter $t$ ranging from 0 to 2π to trace the ellipse formed by the intersection. The participants confirm that this parameterization satisfies the original surface equations, ensuring its validity. The discussion concludes with an agreement on the orientation of the curve and the correctness of the parameterization.
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Hey! :o

I want t calculate $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ when $\sigma$ is the curve that traces once the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$ with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$. We have that $$\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)=\int_{\sigma}(y, z, x)\cdot (dx,dy,dz)=\int_{\sigma}f(x,y,z)\cdot d\sigma$$ with $f(x,y,z)= (y, z, x)$.

The curve $\sigma$ is the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$.
So, we have that $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y) \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=2\cdot 2 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=4$.

How can we get the curve $\sigma$ ? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I want t calculate $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ when $\sigma$ is the curve that traces once the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$ with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$. We have that $$\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)=\int_{\sigma}(y, z, x)\cdot (dx,dy,dz)=\int_{\sigma}f(x,y,z)\cdot d\sigma$$ with $f(x,y,z)= (y, z, x)$.

The curve $\sigma$ is the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$.
So, we have that $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y) \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=2\cdot 2 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=4$.

How can we get the curve $\sigma$ ? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
Since x+ y= 2, y= 2- x. Then $x^2+ y^2+ z^2= x^2+ x^2- 4x+ 4+ z^2= 2(x^2- 2x+ 2)+ z^2= 4$. Completing the square, $2(x^2- 2x+ 1)+ 1+ z^2= 2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2+ 1= 4$. $2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2= 3$, an ellipse. To parameterize it, let $x= \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} cos(\theta)- 1$, $y= 2- x= 3- \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}cos(\theta)$, and $z= \sqrt{3} sin(\theta)$.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Since x+ y= 2, y= 2- x. Then $x^2+ y^2+ z^2= x^2+ x^2- 4x+ 4+ z^2= 2(x^2- 2x+ 2)+ z^2= 4$. Completing the square, $2(x^2- 2x+ 1)+ 1+ z^2= 2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2+ 1= 4$. $2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2= 3$, an ellipse. To parameterize it, let $x= \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} cos(\theta)- 1$, $y= 2- x= 3- \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}cos(\theta)$, and $z= \sqrt{3} sin(\theta)$.

Ah ok!

So, we have the following:

\begin{align*}x^2+y^2+z^2=4 & \Rightarrow x^2+(2-x)^2+z^2=4 \\ & \Rightarrow x^2+4-4x+x^2+z^2=4 \\ & \Rightarrow 2x^2-4x+z^2=0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x^2-2x)+z^2 =0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x^2-2x+1-1)+z^2 =0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x-1)^2-2+z^2=0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x-1)^2+z^2=2 \\ & \Rightarrow (x-1)^2+\frac{z^2}{2}=1 \\ & \Rightarrow (x-1)^2+\left (\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}\right )^2=1\end{align*}
So, we set $x-1=\cos t\Rightarrow x=\cos t+1$ and $\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}=\sin t\Rightarrow z=\sqrt{2}\sin t$. Then $y=2-x =1-\cos t$.

Therefore, we get the curve $\sigma (t)=(\cos t +1, 1-\cos t, \sqrt{2}\sin t)$, right? (Wondering)
mathmari said:
with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$.

Do we use this information to determine the interval of $t$ ? (Wondering)
 
Yep. If we fill in the result in the original equations, everything fits! (Happy)

I don't how we're supposed to find the orientation, but the interval is 0 to 2pi, since that's the interval for an ellipse. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. If we fill in the result in the original equations, everything fits! (Happy)

I don't how we're supposed to find the orientation, but the interval is 0 to 2pi, since that's the interval for an ellipse. (Thinking)

Thank you! (Smile)