How to find the max,min,sup,inf of these cases

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum, minimum, supremum, and infimum of various functions, particularly focusing on the function f(x) = 1/(1+(lnx)^2) and its behavior as x approaches certain limits. Participants explore the implications of limits and the properties of functions involving logarithms and trigonometric identities.

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  • Participants discuss the behavior of functions as x approaches infinity and zero, questioning how these limits affect the max, min, sup, and inf. There is also a focus on understanding the difference between maximum and supremum, with hints provided for evaluating specific functions.

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Some participants have offered hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the evaluation of limits and the implications for the values of the functions. Multiple interpretations of the results are being explored, especially concerning the definitions of maximum and supremum.

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There are discussions about the constraints of the functions, particularly the domain restrictions for ln(x) and the behavior of sin(x) in relation to its limits. Some participants question the assumptions made about the minimum and infimum values of the functions.

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i made a limit on both infinity and minus infinity for them

and i tried to find but its not working

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Well, I haven't reviewed all of your work, but I can give you a hint for finding what value x, f(x) = 1/(1+(lnx)^2) has a max at. Assuming you restrict the value of ln(x) to real values, (ln(x))^2 is always greater than zero, therefore your denominator must be greater than or equal to one. If this is true, what must the denominator equal in order to maximize f(x) and what value must x be for this to be true.
 
Alright, since no one else is replying, I'll give hints for the rest of them.

1) I already gave you an idea of how to find the max and sup of the function. Now, assuming ln(x) is restricted to real values only, we consider the domain 0 < x < infinity.
Evaluate what happens as x tends to infinity and you find the function asymptotically approaches 0. What about when x approaches zero? What does that suggest about the min. and inf?

2) Based on what you've showed with limits, it should be fairly simple to deduce something about the max. min. sup and inf.

3) As sin(x) is less than or equal to one for all values x, the greatest value the function could possibly assume is 1 (for the values it is defined); however, the smallest positive value x for which sin(x) is one is pi/2. Let's now consider the degenerate case when x = 0. Finding the limit of the function at that point yields 1. What does that suggest about the sup of the function?
 
regarding 3:

when the highest value is 1
is it max or sup
?
 
Do you understand the difference between "max" and "sup"? If a set of numbers has a maximum, then max= sup.
 
1) max=sup=1
inf=0, min doesn't exist
How did I find it?

Use the fact that Vf=Df-1

Vf is the set of values, that y can have.

Df-1 is the values, that x, from the inverse function of f(x) can have.

2) Vf = [-∞, -2] U [2, +∞)

3)sup=1, min=inf=0, there isn't maximum.

Regards.
 
Actually, regarding 3. The minimum and infimum of the function are definitely not zero as sin(x)/x can be negative.
 

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