How to get greater lift from an aircraft wing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to increase lift from aircraft wings without increasing engine power or wingspan. Participants explore various theoretical and practical approaches, including aerodynamic effects and wing design considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the Coanda effect to enhance lift, though there is uncertainty about its practical application without a jet.
  • Increasing the angle of attack is proposed as a method to gain more lift, but it is noted that this could lead to increased drag and potential stalling.
  • There are discussions about changing the wing section for better lift-to-drag ratios and the importance of wing design in different flight conditions (subsonic, transonic, supersonic).
  • Some participants mention the possibility of using flaps, leading-edge slots, or a blended wing body design to improve lift without increasing wingspan.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the implications of increased drag associated with various lift-increasing strategies.
  • Participants debate the necessity of jets for the Coanda effect, with differing opinions on its relevance to wing lift enhancement.
  • There is mention of ongoing research by organizations like NASA and DARPA regarding advanced wing designs and lift enhancement techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the effectiveness of different methods to increase lift, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Disagreements arise particularly around the application of the Coanda effect and the implications of increasing angle of attack.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original question lacks specific details about the aircraft design and flight conditions, which limits the applicability of proposed solutions. The interplay between wing design and engine position is also highlighted as a factor that could influence lift.

  • #31
You could optimize the lift loading to be elliptical. And as CWatters suggested use an airfoil that provide more L/D for your specific Reynolds number.
 
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  • #32
TC --- Just what is meant by Wing Span? Does it just mean the distance from wing tip to wingtip? Does it also include the other wing geometries?
I do not think the TC's original question was phrased correctly, because even basic grade school physics about wing geometry would include the variables of air speed, angle of attack, airfoil shape different shapes, (sweep, delta shape, flexibility, ETC.) and chord wise dimension.
Just what is TC looking for with his question, if he just means wing tip to wing tip length? Surely he must know that there are a great many variables that can affect the lift capacity of a wing. What is the purpose of the question?
 
  • #33
pyroartist said:
Fact: There are more flying wings in use today than all commercial aircraft combined. Hang gliders and paragliders are tailless, flying wings and are enjoyed all over the world.

Call me crazy, but I am pretty sure that wasn't the point of the question (and response).

pyroartist said:
To increase L/D: for turbulent airfoils try this: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-02/hjap-uss020618.php

While a shark denticle may well prove to be an effective design for a vortex generator (VG), they still essentially work in the same manner as any other VG currently in use today. There's also the issue of the optimal placement being different depending on flight conditions. Further, that study was performed at a chord Reynolds number of ##Re_c = 4\times 10^4##, which is two orders of magnitude less than that of a typical airplane.

pyroartist said:
or just use a laminar airfoil and very smooth surface finish.

This is not what a laminar flow (or, rather, natural laminar flow) airfoil is. There is a hell of a lot more to NLF than just a smooth surface. Further, most modern airliners already incorporate concepts from NLF into their wing design.

Joseph Patrick Kane said:
TC --- Just what is meant by Wing Span? Does it just mean the distance from wing tip to wingtip?

Yes, that is the meaning of wingspan. To incorporate other aspects of geometry, you'd talk about aspect ratio, OML, planform, etc.
 
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  • #34
Increase the density of air.

All those life equations have a term for density of air.

Pilots have to take this into account. On a hot day your max takeoff weight is much lower than on a cold day.
 
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  • #35
+1

Many a pilot has flown up a high valley on a hot day only to find they don't have the lift to turn in the available space.
 
  • #36
Sherwood Botsford said:
Increase the density of air.

All those life equations have a term for density of air.

Pilots have to take this into account. On a hot day your max takeoff weight is much lower than on a cold day.
I assume that the OP is asking about design changes, not acts of God.
 
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  • #37
CWatters said:
+1

Many a pilot has flown up a high valley on a hot day only to find they don't have the lift to turn in the available space.
Holy smokes! full throttle climb into a Split-S? Or just die?
 
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  • #40
Hmmm. Just re=read original question...Two ideas come to mind:

1. Fly at altitude less than a couple wingspans so you're in 'ground effect'.
[image courtesy https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/maks-can-russias-caspian-sea-monster-rise-again-416156/ ]

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2. Evacuate the wing so it's lighter than air.

old jim
 

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