How to integrate the electric field of the square sheet

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The discussion revolves around integrating the electric field of a square sheet, a problem situated within the context of electromagnetism and calculus. Participants express varying levels of difficulty and explore different substitution methods for solving the integral involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various substitution methods, including specific transformations like ##2u+z^2=t## and ##\sqrt{2u+z^2}=t##. There are inquiries about potential mistakes in calculations and the implications of removing integral elements. Some participants also consider the complexity of using multiple integration techniques.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for substitutions while questioning their own and each other's calculations. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes and a focus on refining the approach, but no consensus on a final method has been reached.

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Participants mention the need to revert to original variables and check limits, indicating constraints related to the problem setup. There is also a reference to homework rules that may influence the discussion.

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i have one question to ask

how to integrate the electric field of the square sheet( see the pink circle below)
it looks hard for me

thank you very much
 

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Hint: Try substitution method ##2u+z^2=t##. You might still need one more substitution, but I will not comment any further before you show your own work.
 
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Use the substitution
√(2u+z2)=t.
 
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Yes you can also do that, and may be in the third line you can use the fact that the derivative of ##\sec x## is ##\sec x \tan x##. But your way is kind of longer than necessary.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Yes you can also do that, and may be in the third line you can use the fact that the derivative of ##\sec x## is ##\sec x \tan x##. But your way is kind of longer than necessary.
Did i make mistake in my calculation?
 

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garylau said:
Did i make mistake in my calculation?
Looks good. Now you only need to do the last integral and change back to the original variable ##u## and plug in the integral limits.
 
cnh1995 said:
Use the substitution
√(2u+z2)=t.
If you use this substitution,
du/√(2u+z2) can be replaced by 'dt' and u+z2=(t2+z2)/2.
So, you'll simply get it as ∫2dt/(t2+z2) which is (2/z)tan-1(t/z).
You get your answer in just two steps.
 
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cnh1995 said:
If you use this substitution,
du/√(2u+z2) can be replaced by 'dt' and u+z2=(t2+z2)/2.
So, you'll simply get it as ∫2dt/(t2+z2) which is (2/z)tan-1(t/z).
You get your answer in just two steps.
Oh i see thank you
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Looks good. Now you only need to do the last integral and change back to the original variable ##u## and plug in the integral limits.
blue_leaf77 said:
Looks good. Now you only need to do the last integral and change back to the original variable ##u## and plug in the integral limits.
i don't know why i do it wrong (is there a minus sign??)
can you help me to check it
thank
 

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I missed one mistake in your work in post #5. In the last line, you should have removed the integral and the integration element. There should only be #\theta## there.
garylau said:
i don't know why i do it wrong (is there a minus sign??)
can you help me to check it
thank
I don't know why you are redoing your work, you are almost there in post #5.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
I missed one mistake in your work in post #5. In the last line, you should have removed the integral and the integration element. There should only be #\theta## there.

I don't know why you are redoing your work, you are almost there in post #5.

i redo my work by other way

and i found the answer looks different from my answer in post 5(which i successfully do it)
something looks crazy when the answer in my last post looks totally different.
but i cannot find any mistake
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
I missed one mistake in your work in post #5. In the last line, you should have removed the integral and the integration element. There should only be #\theta## there.

I don't know why you are redoing your work, you are almost there in post #5.
yes

i should remove in the integral but i always forget

thank you
 
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cnh1995 said:
If you use this substitution,
du/√(2u+z2) can be replaced by 'dt' and u+z2=(t2+z2)/2.
So, you'll simply get it as ∫2dt/(t2+z2) which is (2/z)tan-1(t/z).
You get your answer in just two steps.
what if i try to integrate it using multiple integration...seems quite tough then...can you help regarding that??
 

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