How to integrate the following equation

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the equation I = (integration sign from 0 to 2 sqrt3) (x^3)/(16-x^2)^(1/2). Participants are exploring methods to approach this integral, which involves a square root in the denominator.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but expresses confusion over the complexity introduced by their substitution. Some participants suggest using trigonometric substitution as a more effective method, noting the relevance of the bounds. Others propose an alternative substitution that simplifies the integral significantly.

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Participants are actively sharing different methods for tackling the integral, with some guidance provided on trigonometric substitution and alternative approaches. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple viable strategies are being discussed.

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There is mention of specific bounds (0 to 2 sqrt3) that may influence the choice of substitution. The original poster's initial approach raises questions about the appropriateness of their method given the structure of the integral.

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Hi, i don't really know how I should go about this question. please help me.

Question:
Integrate the following equation:
I = (integration sign from 0 to 2 sqrt3) (x^3)/(16-x^2)^(1/2)

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I tried to assign u and dv initially like this:

u = (16-x^2)^(1/2)
du = -(16-x^2)^(-1/2) dx

dv = x^3 dx
v = (1/4)(x^4)

so uv - (INT)vdu
= (1/4)(16-x^2)(x^4) + (1/4)(INT)(x^4)/(16-x^4)^(1/2) dx

but it gets more complicated because of x^4, if x^3 in the integration then i could have assigned it as I and then solve it easily, but i think i made a huge mistake somewhere to get it to be like this.
 
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With experience, you'll realize that a trigonometric substitution in the denominator works best in cases like these. A big clue is the sqrt(3) in the bounds, this is immediately reminiscent of special angle ratios like sin(pi/3), right?

Anyway, your first objective here is to get rid of the denominator by applying a trig sub. Try [tex]x = 4\sin{\theta}[/tex]. Simplify.

You'll be left with a cubed trig expression to integrate. Do that by parts ([tex]\sin^3{\theta} = \sin^2{\theta}\sin{\theta}[/tex]). It's not difficult, in fact, it can neatly be done in two lines with a little application of some trig identities and a little algebra.

Finally, don't sub x back into the final indefinite integral. Leave everything in terms of theta. Work out the values of theta that correspond to the bounds of the definite integral and evaluate. Much neater.
 
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When you see a squareroot, trig substitution can look very tempting, but another method can shorten the work greatly.

For example...

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \int {\frac{{x^3 }}{{\sqrt {16 - x^2 } }}} dx \\ <br /> {\rm{let}}{\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} u = \sqrt {16 - x^2 } {\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} \to x^2 = 16 - u^2 \\ <br /> du = \frac{{ - x}}{{\sqrt {16 - x^2 } }}dx \\ <br /> \int {\frac{{x^3 }}{{\sqrt {16 - x^2 } }}} dx = \int {\left( {u^2 - 16 } \right)} du \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> [/tex]
 
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ChaoticLlama said:
When you see a squareroot, trig substitution can look very tempting, but another method can shorten the work greatly.

For example...

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \int {\frac{{x^3 }}{{\sqrt {16 - x^2 } }}} dx \\ <br /> {\rm{let}}{\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} u = \sqrt {16 - x^2 } {\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} {\kern 1pt} \to x^2 = 16 - u^2 \\ <br /> du = \frac{{ - x}}{{\sqrt {16 - x^2 } }}dx \\ <br /> \int {\frac{{x^3 }}{{\sqrt {16 - x^2 } }}} dx = \int {\left( {u^2 - 16 } \right)} du \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> [/tex]

Yes, that's a much neater method! :smile:
 

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