How to [itex]\int{\frac{-2x+20}{2\sqrt{-x^2+20x}}}dx[/itex]

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\int{\frac{-2x+20}{2\sqrt{-x^2+20x}}}dx\). Participants explore various methods for solving this integral, including trigonometric substitution, u-substitution, and completing the square. The conversation includes both theoretical approaches and practical examples from calculus resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using trigonometric substitution or partial fractions to tackle the integral, expressing uncertainty about the best method.
  • Another participant proposes a u-substitution, indicating that it simplifies the integral significantly.
  • A participant shares a detailed approach involving completing the square and using both u-substitution and trigonometric substitution, arriving at a geometric interpretation related to a circle.
  • Another participant acknowledges the effectiveness of the u-substitution method and provides a step-by-step transformation of the integral into a simpler form.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the more efficient substitution method, noting the variety of approaches available for integration.

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Participants generally agree that multiple methods can be applied to solve the integral, but there is no consensus on a single best approach. Some methods are viewed as overly complicated while others are seen as more elegant.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific substitutions and transformations without resolving the mathematical steps or confirming the correctness of each method. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with integration techniques.

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Hello,

What would be a good method, for a novice in integration, to solve this integral. I haven't done much integration, so this looks quite daunting. Would this be solvable with trig substitution by itself or would I need to employ partial fractions?

\int{\frac{-2x+20}{2\sqrt{-x^2+20x}}}dx

If I complete the square in the denominator, I wonder if I could make it easier.

\int{\frac{-2x+20}{2\sqrt{-(x-10)^2-10}}}dx

What would be a logical method?
 
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Try a u-substitution.
 
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\frac{1}{\sqrt{u}}
 
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Hi,

I found a similar example in the Stewart calculus book, chapter 7.3 example 7. I completed the square in the denominator, did u-substitution u=x-10, then trig substitution u= 10sin(theta).

The integratable term I arrived at was \int (-10sin(theta)) = 10cos(theta)

Then I substituted back in the x terms to get y(x)=\sqrt{10^2 -(x-10)^2)} => ((x-10)^2)+y^2=10^2

Which is a circle with radius 10 and I believe with center at the x-axis and left side passing through the origin.

I think this is correct as it is the equation I initially started out with and took the derivative of before integrating back.

(note: I apologize, I don't have the latex avalable on my phone. I did my best and will fix any errors when I get to a computer at school in a few hours.)
 
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Hi,

I found a similar example in the Stewart calculus book, chapter 7.3 example 7. I completed the square in the denominator, did u-substitution u=x-10, then trig substitution u= 10sin(theta).

The integratable term I arrived at was \int (-10sin(theta)) = 10cos(theta)

Then I substituted back in the x terms to get y(x)=\sqrt{10^2 -(x-10)^2)} => ((x-10)^2)+y^2=10^2

Which is a circle with radius 10 and I believe with center at the x-axis and left side passing through the origin.

I think this is correct as it is the equation I initially started out with and took the derivative of before integrating back.

(note: I apologize, I don't have the latex avalable on my phone. I did my best and will fix any errors when I get to a computer at school in a few hours.)
You over-complicated things a little bit, but nice job!
 
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You can also use u-substitution as phion said##
\int\frac{-2x+20}{\sqrt{-x^2+20}}dx
##

As you can see

-2x+20 is derivative of -x^2+20

And if you substitute -x^2+20 with variable such as t, then the problem becomes simpler

##
t=-x^2+20x
##

##
\frac{d(t)}{dt} = \frac{d(-x^2+20x)}{dt}
##

##
1 = (-2x+20) \cdot \frac{dx}{dt}
##

##
dt = (-2x+20) \cdot dx
##

You can substitue ##(-2x+20) \cdot dx## with ##dt##
and ##-x^2+20## with ##t##

then

##
\int\frac{-2x+20}{\sqrt{-x^2+20}}dx
##

becomes

##
\int\frac{1}{2\sqrt{t}} dt
##

##
=\frac{1}{2}\int t^{-\frac{1}{2}} dt
##

##
=t^{\frac{1}{2}}
##
 
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Thank you.

Wow, that was a much more efficient choice of substitution. There must be many choices for substituting in the integrand. Most of which are overly complicated and a few of which are more elegant. Thanks for shedding light on this topic.

Regards
 

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