How to measure temperature of brakes in F1 cars?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the methods used to measure the temperature of brakes in Formula 1 cars, focusing on the importance of optimal braking temperature for performance. Participants explore various measurement techniques and the materials involved in brake systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how temperature is measured, suggesting optical methods might be used.
  • Another participant proposes the use of infrared sensors, referencing a link to a source on sensor technology.
  • A participant shares observations about the visual appearance of brakes during operation, noting their rapid heating and cooling, and speculates on the materials used.
  • Multiple methods for temperature measurement are discussed, including Templugs for post-use analysis and real-time monitoring using infrared sensors or thermocouples with wireless telemetry.
  • One participant explains that the quick heating of F1 brakes is due to carbon fiber materials and mentions the use of IR pyrometers during pit stops, while also discussing the impact of weight on telemetry systems.
  • Another participant reiterates the use of IR pyrometers and discusses the telemetry system that continuously updates temperature data to the pit wall, emphasizing the role of engineers in monitoring brake temperatures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the methods of measuring brake temperature, with no clear consensus on a single approach. There are competing ideas regarding the effectiveness and practicality of different measurement techniques.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the limitations of telemetry systems due to weight considerations and the historical context of active telemetry in F1, which may influence current practices.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in motorsport engineering, specifically in the technical aspects of brake systems and telemetry in Formula 1 racing.

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How do they do it? They need to know this to determine optimum braking temperature in order to have best performance braking. Yet, how do they do it? Measure it optically?
 
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I would imagine infra-red. Here's a link I found:
http://www.advantagemotorsports.com/Sensors.htm

Scroll down to the section on infrared sensors.
 
There's a few ways. You could use Templugs (small plugs, which are tempered, these are removed after use and measured for hardness which indicates temperature) for information 'after the event', or for real time monitoring either infra red sensors or thermocouples via wireless telemetry.
 
the reason F1 cars heat up so quick is due to carbon fiber brake pads and rotors..i can go into mucho detail if you wish..IR Pyrometer is used during pitting and this heat thing was skulled out over the years to an art.
Attached is form F1 testing and air ducts are used to cool the caliper/rotor. i think hanging telemetry on F1 car would add weight but,,will have to research this..if you like
 

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Ranger Mike said:
the reason F1 cars heat up so quick is due to carbon fiber brake pads and rotors..i can go into mucho detail if you wish..IR Pyrometer is used during pitting and this heat thing was skulled out over the years to an art.
Attached is form F1 testing and air ducts are used to cool the caliper/rotor. i think hanging telemetry on F1 car would add weight but,,will have to research this..if you like

All telemetry from an F1 car is beamed back to the pit wall each lap, and vitals (such as temperature) are updated constantly. You can hear the engineerins on the parade lap instructing the drivers they need more brake/tyre/whatever temperature before the start. So in most circumstances the pitwall knows there is a problem long before the driver does.

Up until a few years ago active two way telemetary was allowed, so the pit wall could make changes to the car on the fly. Everything from diff settings to max revs to fuelling.
 

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