How to model non linear governing equation in FEA?

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The discussion revolves around modeling non-linear governing equations in finite element analysis (FEA), particularly in the context of materials that exhibit non-linear spring behavior. Participants explore the implications of non-linearity on the governing matrix equations used in FEA.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to model a non-linear governing equation in FEA, starting from the linear spring model represented by the equation K * U = F.
  • Another participant argues that linear springs are an approximation and suggests that in real life, materials often behave non-linearly, proposing that the modulus of elasticity (E) can be made a function of strain.
  • There is mention of the need for iterative solutions to achieve convergence when E is dependent on strain.
  • A participant raises a question about treating a specific displacement (u^n) as constant to simplify the system to a linear model.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a progressive rate spring, where the spring constant (k) increases with compression, implying a non-linear relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of linear versus non-linear springs, with some asserting that linear models are sufficient for many applications while others emphasize the prevalence of non-linear behavior in real materials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to model non-linear governing equations in FEA.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the methodology for modeling non-linear springs, and there are unresolved questions about the mathematical formulation needed to generate the governing matrix.

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Hi:in a linear spring model for materials, the governing matrix equation is K * U = F

where K is the material stiffness AE/l , u is the displacement at each nodes and F is the force in the discretized elements.but this is only true for a linear spring, what if I have some non linear spring? I know there's no such thing but what if I now have some other physics that I would like to model that involves a non linear governing equation? how would I model my matrix?
thank you hihiip201
 
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hihiip201 said:
but this is only true for a linear spring, what if I have some non linear spring? I know there's no such thing

You have that backwards. In real life there is not such thing as a linear spring, but linear is a good enough approximation for a many purposes.

For an elastic nonlinear material, you can make E a function of the strain in the material. You need to do an iteration until the solution converges with consistent values of E and the strain.

If the material behavior is plastic (i.e. when you remove the loads, the displacements do not return to zero), that is too complicated to explain how to model it here - get a textbook on nonlinear FE analysis!
 
AlephZero said:
You have that backwards. In real life there is not such thing as a linear spring, but linear is a good enough approximation for a many purposes.

For an elastic nonlinear material, you can make E a function of the strain in the material. You need to do an iteration until the solution converges with consistent values of E and the strain.

If the material behavior is plastic (i.e. when you remove the loads, the displacements do not return to zero), that is too complicated to explain how to model it here - get a textbook on nonlinear FE analysis!


But with E as a function of strain (so I guess i will have something like: K u^n = F.)

can I call u^n at some node constant and then solve the system like it was still linear?


or do I have to do :

logK + n logn = log F to generate a matrix?



thanks
 
In a progressive rate spring, k increases as the spring is compressed.
 

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