How to Prove Stabilizers in Group Theory Using X and G?

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The discussion revolves around proving a property related to stabilizers in group theory, specifically how the stabilizer of an element under a group action relates to the stabilizer of another element through conjugation. The original poster attempts to establish the equality StabG(g(x)) = g StabG(x) g-1, where G acts on a set X.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to show that one set is contained within another and vice versa. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of stabilizers and how to manipulate them using group actions. Questions arise about specific steps in the proof and how to derive necessary conclusions from definitions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, suggesting that the original poster check specific conditions and definitions. There is an ongoing exploration of the logical steps required to complete the proof, with multiple interpretations being considered. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify reasoning and definitions without reaching a consensus on the final proof structure.

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Participants express confusion about certain steps in the proof and the implications of their assumptions. There is a noted struggle with the logical flow of the proof, particularly in relating elements of the stabilizers and the identity element.

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Suppose that G acts on the set X. Prove that if g [tex]\in[/tex] G, x [tex]\in[/tex] X then StabG(g(x)) = g StabG(x) g-1.

Note: g StabG(x) g-1 by definition is {ghg-1 : h [tex]\in[/tex] StabG(x)}

My attempt at the problem is:
Let a [tex]\in[/tex] StabG(g(x)), then a(g(x)) = g(x) by definition.
Also Let b[tex]\in[/tex] StabG(x), then b(x) = x by definition.


and then I am completely stuck. Please guide me with this proof, I have tried for a couple hours.
 
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So I have to prove that one set contains the other, and that the other contains the one set, but I still need a push in the right direction.

Oh ok i figured it out you check a(g(x)) = g(x) and you also check ghg^-1(g(x)) = g(x)

Thank you so much
 
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So I have to prove that one set contains the other, and that the other contains the one set, but I still need a push in the right direction.
Right. So now that you know the outline of the proof, just fill in the steps. :wink: e.g. one half of the proof is to show that [itex]\mathrm{Stab}_G(g(x)) \subseteq g \cdot \mathrm{Stab}_G(x) \cdot g^{-1}[/itex] -- I'll get you started:


Suppose [itex]a \in \mathrm{Stab}_G(g(x))[/itex]
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...
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Therefore [itex]a \in g \cdot \mathrm{Stab}_G(x) \cdot g^{-1}[/itex]



Note that you've already filled in the second step in your opening. The second to last step should be easy as well...

(I'm operating under the assumption you haven't done this yet, since the work you presented isn't along these lines... and I believe that doing this really should suggest something to try)
 
I actually still have no clue, I haven't even figured out the second the last step that you mentioned.

So from the assumption that a[tex]\in[/tex] StabG(g(x)), you can say a(g(x)) = g(x), but then I'm still trying to think out how to show that a is included in ghg^-1

Would you do a(ghg^-1), just a guess, but still no leads
 
zcdfhn said:
I actually still have no clue, I haven't even figured out the second the last step that you mentioned.
Well, you already said that [itex]g \cdot \mathrm{Stab}_G(x) \cdot g^{-1} = \{ g h g^{-1} \mid h \in \mathrm{Stab}_G(x) \}[/itex], didn't you? So the claim
[itex]a \in g \cdot \mathrm{Stab}_G(x) \cdot g^{-1}[/itex]​
should be logically equivalent to
there exists an [itex]h \in \mathrm{Stab}_G(x)[/itex] for which [itex]a = ghg^{-1}[/itex]​

(Now, if such an h really does exist, what would it have to be...?)


Note that nothing clever or insightful was involved here -- all I'm doing is carefully unfolding the definitions. You already told me how to write [itex]g \cdot \mathrm{Stab}_G(x) \cdot g^{-1}[/itex] in set-builder notation (i.e. [itex]\{ \cdot \mid \cdot \}[/itex] form) -- all I did after that was to write the definition of [itex]\in[/itex] for sets presented in such a way. It takes a while to get used to doing things with such precision, but it really is extremely helpful.
 
So is this at all correct for the first half of the proof:

Suppose a [tex]\in[/tex]StabG(g(x)), then a(g(x)) = g(x)
Then suppose h[tex]\in[/tex]StabG(x), then h(x) = x
if a=ghg-1, then h = g-1ag = g-1g = e = identity
so since a = ghg-1=geg-1 = e = identity

so a = e[tex]\in[/tex]g StabGg-1

I'm confused why i end up with a = h = e, though, so I have a feeling i messed up
 

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