How to Simplify Factorials with a Proof for k*(k!)=(k+1)!-1?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving the equation k*(k!)=(k+1)!-1, which relates to factorials and their properties. The discussion centers around the validity of this equation for different values of k.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the validity of the equation for various values of k, questioning its truth and discussing specific cases such as k=1 and k=2. There is also a suggestion to consider alternative formulations of the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising doubts about the original statement and exploring different interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding specific cases, but no consensus has been reached on the validity of the equation for all k.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem may have been misinterpreted, and there is a focus on verifying the equation through specific examples. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the statement's applicability across different values of k.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to prove k*(k!)=(k+1)!-1

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The Attempt at a Solution


This is how far I've gotten:
k[k(k-1)(k-2)...1)]
 
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What you are trying to prove is not true for all k.
 
Ok, but then what would I do since I know it's true for k=1
 
Are you sure the question doesn't say k * k! = (k + 1)! - k!?
 
No, I'm positive. Just checked in the book.
 
Plug in k = 2 to see that it's false.
 
Ok, so if I was given this question. I just write only true for k=1?
 
mutton said:
Are you sure the question doesn't say k * k! = (k + 1)! - k!?

Well it's 1*1!+2*2!+...+k*k!=(k + 1)! - k!
 
kathrynag said:
Well it's 1*1!+2*2!+...+k*k!=(k + 1)! - k!

That's not true.

[tex]k * k! = (k + 1 - 1) k! = (k + 1) k! - 1 * k! = (k + 1)! - k![/tex]
 
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kathrynag said:
Well it's 1*1!+2*2!+...+k*k!=(k + 1)! - k!

1*1!+2*2!+...+k*k!=(k + 1)! - 1
sorry...
 
  • #11
kathrynag said:
1*1!+2*2!+...+k*k!=(k + 1)! - 1
sorry...

Okay, so how do you plan to prove this?
 
  • #12
Never mind. Just figured it out!
 

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