How to Simplify the Triple Integral of z^2 Over a Tetrahedron?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the volume integral of z^2 over a tetrahedron defined by the vertices (0,0,0), (1,0,0), (0,1,0), and (0,0,1). Participants explore the complexities involved in setting up and simplifying the triple integral.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the triple integral with specific limits and the challenges of integrating a complex polynomial. Some question the correctness of their polynomial expressions and consider alternative methods, such as changing the order of integration or using geometric insights to simplify the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different integration orders, with some participants noting improvements in their calculations after changing the order. While some have found mistakes in their previous attempts, there is no explicit consensus on a final method yet.

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Participants express concerns about the algebraic complexity of the problem and the potential for errors in their calculations. The discussion reflects a learning process with various interpretations of the integral setup.

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Homework Statement



Essentially, do the volume integral of z^2 over the tetrahedron with vetices at (0,0,0) (1,0,0) (0,1,0) (0,0,1)

The Attempt at a Solution



There seems to be a ton(!) of brute-force algebra involved. Enough to make me question if I'm doing the problem right.
I set up the triple integral of z^2 in the order dzdydx with the following limits of integration.

z=0 to z= 1-x-y
y=0 to y= 1-x
x=0 to x=1

It didn't take to long for me to end up with trying to integrate a humongous polynomial in the second interval.

Evaluating z^3 / 3 at z = 1-x-y was fun enough.

But now after integrating again, I have to evaluate y/3 -xy-y^2/2+xy^2+x^2*y + y^3/3 + 1/3*x^3*y et cetera at y = 1-x seems to be a nightmare.

Am I tackling this the wrong way?
 
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No, I think your approach is correct. Though I'm not sure I agree with your xy polynomial. You just have to work through the mess and be careful. If don't have to use a triple integral you can use a shortcut. If A(z) is the area of a cross section of the tetrahedron at a constant value of z, and you can use geometry to get a formula for that area in terms of z, then the triple integral is the integral of A(z)*z^2*dz. Hmm. That sort of suggests that you change the order of integration so you integrate over z last, it might be easier.
 
Yeah not only have I found a few mistakes, but i typed some parts in wrong, I was really just writing the polynomial to show how ugly.

Ill try integrating over x last then.
 
Seda said:
Yeah not only have I found a few mistakes, but i typed some parts in wrong, I was really just writing the polynomial to show how ugly.

Ill try integrating over x last then.

Z last, I think. You already did X last.
 
sorry, i meant z
 
Ok i have an answer now, thanks for the help.

Yes, integrating in the different order helped a lot. Much cleaner algebra there.
 
Right. If your integrand depends on a subset of the variables, integrate over those variables last. It keeps them constants for as long as possible.
 

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