How to Solve a 2nd Order Differential Equation with Singular Points?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation with singular points, specifically the equation x(l-x)y'' + 4y' + 2y = 0. Participants explore methods for finding solutions, particularly in the absence of initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and seeks assistance in solving it.
  • Another participant suggests that a standard series solution can be applied if initial conditions are provided, detailing the use of a power series expansion.
  • A third participant notes the absence of initial conditions, questioning the applicability of the proposed method.
  • Some participants propose that even without initial conditions, a series method might still yield a solution, although the values of a0 and a1 would remain unknown.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the singular points at x=0 and x=l, indicating that solutions may not be extendable to these points for certain values of a0 and a1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of solving the equation without initial conditions, and there is no consensus on the implications of the singular points on the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the significance of initial conditions and the nature of singular points, which may affect the extendability of solutions. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these factors.

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I can not how define way to solve these equation

x(l-x)y''+4y'+2y=o

If anyone can help
 
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That looks like a pretty standard kind of equation. If you are given an initial value problem with y(a), y'(a) given and a is neither 0 nor 1, a standard series solution will work:
[tex]y= \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^n[/tex].

Differentiate term by term and put into the equation to get a recursive equation for [itex]a_n[/itex].

If you are given y(0) and y'(0) you will need to use Frobenius' method with
[tex]y= \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n x^{n+ c}[/tex]
for some number c (not necessarily a positive integer). Put that into the d.e. and look at the n=0 term to determine c.

If you are given y(l) and y'(l), similarly you will need to use Frobenius' method with
[tex]y= \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (x- l)^{n+ c}[/itex][/tex]
 
thnks HallsofIvy

but the question doesn't give me the initial value
 
I could be wrong (Still just a student) but even w/o initial conditions the series method should work. Just you won't know a0 and a1
 
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Yes, but x= 0 and x= l are "singular" points. You may find that for some [itex]a_0[/itex] and [itex]a_1[/itex] your solution cannot be extended to x= 0 or x= 1.
 

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