How to solve a quadratic equation with a negative value for the variable?

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To solve the equation 4y - y² = x for y, the quadratic formula is applied with coefficients a = -1, b = 4, and c = -x. The initial attempt led to the expression y = 2 ± (8 - 2x)^(1/2), but an algebra mistake occurred during simplification. The correct simplification should yield y = (-4 ± √(16 - 4x)) / -2. A misunderstanding arose when comparing results with Wolfram Alpha, which presented the solution as y = ±2 - √(4 - x). The confusion stemmed from an algebraic error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of the quadratic formula.
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Homework Statement



Solve 4y-y2=x for y.

The Attempt at a Solution



First I tried using the quadratic equation with a=-1 b=4 c=-x

y=(-b±(42-4(-1)(-x))(1/2))/2(-1)

That got me this far: y=2±(8-2x)(1/2)

Then I checked wolfram and now I am confused
y=±2-sqrt(4-x
. Did I not approach this corectly?
 
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peterpanhandle said:

Homework Statement



Solve 4y-y2=x for y.

The Attempt at a Solution



First I tried using the quadratic equation with a=-1 b=4 c=-x

y=(-b±(42-4(-1)(-x))(1/2))/2(-1)

That got me this far: y=2±(8-2x)(1/2)

Then I checked wolfram and now I am confused
y=±2-sqrt(4-x
. Did I not approach this corectly?

Your approach is fine. You just made an algebra mistake while simplifying.

You had ##y = \frac{-4 \pm \sqrt{16 - 4x}}{-2}##. Note that you can't simply divide the stuff inside the radical by 2 when you bring the 2 from the denominator inside.
 
vela said:
You just made an algebra mistake while simplifying.

Thank you for the quick reply and sorry for my slow thanks. How very typical of me that it's some algebraic error :blushing: Thanks again!
 
peterpanhandle said:
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Then I checked wolfram and now I am confused [ SPOILER]y=±2-sqrt(4-x)[/SPOILER]. Did I not approach this correctly?

As the originator of the thread, you don't really need to use a Spoiler.
 
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