How to Solve a Tough Differential Equation on a Calc I Exam?

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation presented in a Calculus I exam context. Participants explore potential solutions, the nature of the problem, and the appropriateness of the exam question itself. The conversation includes technical reasoning and insights into the structure of the equation and its initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The original differential equation is presented, and initial conditions are specified.
  • Some participants suggest that the solution might be guessed as $y=x$, noting its validity within a specific interval.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of the exam question and the instructor's intentions behind it.
  • A participant reformulates the problem into a first-order equation by letting $z=y'$, highlighting the absence of $y$ in the original equation.
  • Discussion about the implications of domains for the solution, particularly regarding the behavior of $z$ and the potential for complex solutions.
  • Clarification is made regarding the notation and terms used in the differential equation, with a correction on the expression involving $z'$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the exam question and the method of solving the differential equation. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the solution's validity may depend on specific intervals and the behavior of the functions involved, which could lead to complexities not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Students preparing for calculus exams, educators interested in exam question design, and individuals studying differential equations may find this discussion relevant.

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Solve:
$$\sin\left({x}\right)y''+(y'^2-\sin^2\left({x}\right))^{1/2}y'^2-\cos\left({x}\right)y'=0$$

Initial conditions:
$y(0)=0$
$y'(0)=1$

Keep in mind that this question was on a Calc I exam worth 5 marks, so please nothing crazy like reduction of order or anything...:D
 
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Rido12 said:
Solve:
$$\sin\left({x}\right)y''+(y'^2-\sin^2\left({x}\right))^{1/2}y'^2-\cos\left({x}\right)y'=0$$

Initial conditions:
$y(0)=0$
$y'(0)=1$

Keep in mind that this question was on a Calc I exam worth 5 marks, so please nothing crazy like reduction of order or anything...:D
Given that this question was on a Calc I exam worth 5 marks, I can only assume that you are meant to guess that the solution is $y=x$. You can easily verify that this solution works for $x$ in the interval $\bigl[-\frac\pi2, \frac\pi2\bigr]$ (but not outside that interval, because then $(1-\sin^2x)^{1/2}$ would no longer be equal to $\cos x$).

Now I'm wondering what sort of instructor would set such a question on a Calc I exam?
 
Opalg said:
Given that this question was on a Calc I exam worth 5 marks, I can only assume that you are meant to guess that the solution is $y=x$. You can easily verify that this solution works for $x$ in the interval $\bigl[-\frac\pi2, \frac\pi2\bigr]$ (but not outside that interval, because then $(1-\sin^2x)^{1/2}$ would no longer be equal to $\cos x$).

Now I'm wondering what sort of instructor would set such a question on a Calc I exam?

The OP stated earlier in our live chat that:

Rido12 said:
...there's a chance I might not get back to you until after exams...

So, I will take it upon myself to state he also had this to say:

Rido12 said:
They say the solution is $y=x$, but no marks for simply guessing.

My prof is very evil...hehe

He told us that when he was a student, he swore to himself that when he became a prof, he would write on the chalkboard faster than any of his profs, and make tests harder than the ones he's had.

But he's a really cool guy...(Cool)
 
So your IVP is
\begin{align*}
\sin\left({x}\right)y''+(y'^2-\sin^2\left({x}\right))^{1/2}y'^2-\cos\left({x}\right)y'&=0 \\
y(0)&=0 \\
y'(0)&=1.
\end{align*}

The first thing I would notice is that there is no $y$. So you could let $z=y'$, and obtain the first-order equation
$$\sin\left({x}\right)z'+(z^2-\sin^2\left({x}\right))^{1/2}z^2-\cos\left({x}\right)z=0,$$
with IC $z(0)=1$.

At this point, you could observe about domains. If you're looking for a solution on an interval that contains $\pi/4\pm 2 k\pi,$ then $z$ is forced to be identically $1$, or else you would dive into the complex world, what with the $\sqrt{z^2-\sin^2(x)}$ and all.
 
Hi Ackbach!

So the only way to solve the resulting first-order DE is by inspection of domain?

$$\sin\left({x}\right)z'+(z^2-\sin^2\left({x}\right))^{1/2}z^2-\cos\left({x}\right)z=0$$

Also, should not the $\sin\left({x}\right)z'$ in the first term be $\sin\left({x}\right)z' \cdot z$?

Since $$ z=y'$$, so $$y''=\d{z}{x}=\d{z}{y}\cdot \d{y}{x}=z' \cdot y'=z'z$$.

EDIT: You are correct: it should be $\sin\left({x}\right)z'$, as we are working with respect to $x$.
 
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