How to Solve a Tricky Integral: Step-by-Step Guide for Beginners

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral \(\int\frac{\sqrt{x-2}}{x+1} \,dx\), with participants exploring different substitution methods and approaches to simplify the expression.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants suggest various substitutions, such as letting \(u = (x-2)^{0.5}\) and \(u = x + 1\). There are discussions about manipulating the integral by adding and subtracting terms to facilitate integration.

Discussion Status

Multiple methods are being explored, with some participants questioning the effectiveness of their approaches. There is a mix of suggestions regarding polynomial long division and splitting fractions, indicating an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the best method.

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Some participants express confusion over the different methods being proposed, indicating a need for clarification on the steps involved in the integration process. The original poster mentions constraints from a textbook that dictate the use of a specific substitution.

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ok i got this problem:

\int\frac{\sqrt{x-2}} {x+1} \,dx

then i have to let u=(x-2)^0.5 then i solve for x in terms of u

so i get x= u^2+2
dx=2u du

\int\frac{\sqrt{x-2}} {x+1} \,dx=\int\frac{u}{u^2+3}\,2u\,du

where when i substitute i get:

\int\frac{2u^2} {u^2+3}\,du. after that I am completely lost.
 
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Maybe:

Pull the 2 out, then add 0 to the top (+3 - 3). Then, can you solve: 2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du
 
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Try making u = x+1
 
mattmns said:
Maybe:

Pull the 2 out, then add 0 to the top (+3 - 3). Then split the fractions and easy.

what if i do this
\frac{2u^2}{u^2+3}=2-\frac6{u^2+3} i do polynomial long division. lol. but then what??
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
Try making u = x+1

It will be easier but the book says i have to use the other one.
 
what if i do this
\frac{2u^2}{u^2+3}=2-\frac6{u^2+3} i do polynomial long division. lol. but then what??

Then it's cool. The first time is easily integrable. The second term has a solution as well.

Edit: Integrating the second term will be easier with substitution u = a\tan y, and the identity \tan^2 x + 1 = \sec^2 x
 
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Did you see my edit? I think that is really easy to solve. No polynomial division needed :smile:
 
2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du


how is that helpful?
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du


how is that helpful?
Split that up into two parts:

(a+b)/ c = a/c + b/cSo,
2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3} du = 2(\int\1du - \int\frac{3}{u^2+3}du)

Which is easy to solve, unless I made some silly mistake.
 
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mattmns said:
Maybe:

Pull the 2 out, then add 0 to the top (+3 - 3). Then, can you solve: 2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du

I am confused with differnent methods sorry I've been trying for a few hours. I don't know what to do.
 
  • #11
Gotcha mattmns, your right that is easier.


looking at my table of integrals:

\int \frac{dx}{x^2 + a^2} = \frac {1} { a} tan^{-1} ( \frac{x}{a} ) + C

where x is your u, and a is square root of 3.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Gotcha mattmns, your right that is easier.


looking at my table of integrals:

\int \frac{dx}{x^2 + a^2} = \frac {1} { a} tan^{-1} ( \frac{x}{a} ) + C


so if i will get as an answer this??

2u-6\frac{1} {\sqrt{3}} tan^-1\frac{u} {\sqrt{3}},+c
 
  • #13
change all your U's into \sqrt{x-2}, and you can anwser your own question, if we did this right, take the derivative, do you get the question you were asked in the beginning? That is always a good check to do when your not certain.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
change all your U's into \sqrt{x-2}, and you can anwser your own question, if we did this right, take the derivative, do you get the question you were asked in the beginning? That is always a good check to do when your not certain.

You are totally right my friend, but in the book it gives me this answer

2\sqrt{x-2}-2\sqrt{3}\tan^{-1}\left(\sqrt{\frac{x-2}3}\right)+C
 
  • #15
hmmm the inner part of the ( ) looks good, some how I goofed off the 2 (3)^.5 part let me see.

nope were still fine, just multiply top and bottom by square root of three. so that you go from \frac { 6} { \sqrt 3 }

to

\frac { 6 \sqrt 3} { ( \sqrt 3)^2 }

and you get

2 \sqrt {3}
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
hmmm the inner part of the ( ) looks good, some how I goofed off the 2 (3)^.5 part let me see.

nope were still fine, just multiply top and bottom by square root of three.

LoL, no problem thanks. Thank you very much for the help.

I see i really needed it
 
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