How to weigh a car topped boat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to accurately weigh a 12-foot jon boat that will be car topped on a van, considering the weight limit of the roof racks. Participants explore various weighing techniques and the implications of weight distribution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests lifting the front and back of the boat while standing on a scale to determine the weight, but others argue this method does not yield accurate results.
  • Some participants propose using two bathroom scales to measure the weight at both ends of the boat, while others question the feasibility of this approach.
  • A mathematical model is introduced, discussing the center of gravity and simultaneous equations to calculate the boat's weight based on the forces measured at each end.
  • Concerns are raised about the practical implications of weight distribution and the safety of the roof rack under dynamic conditions, such as driving over bumps.
  • Participants discuss the importance of considering real-life applications and safety over purely mathematical approaches, emphasizing the need for practical advice from experienced users.
  • One participant reflects on the potential for homemade boats to exceed expected weights due to material choices, referencing personal experiences with boat construction.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about finding a formula for calculating the boat's weight based on the measurements taken at both ends.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best method to weigh the boat, with multiple competing views on the validity of different approaches and the implications of weight distribution. Participants express varying degrees of skepticism about the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering the dynamic forces acting on the roof rack while driving, suggesting that the weight measurements may not fully account for safety concerns. There is also mention of the variability in weight for homemade boats, which could affect the overall design and safety.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in boat construction, car topping techniques, and those seeking practical advice on weighing objects with uneven weight distribution.

  • #31
jbriggs444 said:
Yes, that would be the "saw horse" approach. A 2 by 4 (nominal dimensions -- actual is normally about 1 and 3/4 by 3 and 5/8) could be used as the top of a saw horse.
I think using saw horses would be both less convenient and less accurate. Put the scale on the ground and the 4x2 directly on top.
 
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  • #32
HRG said:
I can't visualize what you mean.

I am suggesting you rig up something like this to lift the boat:

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  • #33
I bet the OP is sooo glad he came to PF for this question. :rolleyes:
 
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  • #34
jbriggs444 said:
Yes, that would be the "saw horse" approach. A 2 by 4 (nominal dimensions -- actual is normally about 1 and 3/4 by 3 and 5/8) could be used as the top of a saw horse.
Yes, I will use sawhorses when I weigh the boat.

The boat will be slightly less than 4 feet wide. I'll have two sawhorses with 5 feet long 2x4's screwed to the tops which I'll be using to build the boat on. So they will already be available. I'll just set the ends of the boat on the sawhorses, then put a bathroom scale below a horse and barely lift that end of the boat off the horse while standing on the scale. Ditto for the other end. The measured weight will be way close enough to verify the loading on the roof racks.
 
  • #35
Andy Resnick said:
I am suggesting you rig up something like this to lift the boat:

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Wow, way more complex than what I have in mind. But I appreciate your contribution to my question.
Thanks.
 
  • #36
russ_watters said:
I bet the OP is sooo glad he came to PF for this question. :rolleyes:

:smile::biggrin:😅😂
 
  • #37
russ_watters said:
I bet the OP is sooo glad he came to PF for this question. :rolleyes:
But wait, it gets better...

@HRG -- Do you have any truck weighing stations near you? If so, there is a good (but expensive) way to get the data you need.

-1- Drive through the truck weigh station at the speeds posted, and drive off. You will quickly be pursued and pulled over by the Highway Patrol officer assigned to that truck stop. You can try pleading ignorance about drving through a truck weigh station, but with the warning/ticket you can ask for a copy of the weight record as part of the evidence of the crime.

-2- Then load your boat on your vehicle, and drive through the same truck weigh station again (preferably within the same hour), again obeying the posted speed limits. You will again be pursued by the same Highway Patrol officer and pulled over, and best case you get a ticket and can again request a copy of the weigh record that will show you the delta weight to give you the weight of your boat.

-3- Then, assuming you didn't get arrested for -2-, you can drive through the truck weigh station one more time with the boat on your vehicle, this time at highway speed. You will almost certainly be arrested, but if you can get the weigh record for your 3rd pass, that will show you how the aerodynamic forces are acting on your boat at high speeds. You can adjust your tie-down strategy from there. (Well, after you get out of jail)
 
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  • #38
HRG said:
:smile::biggrin:😅😂
The only real open question/complication with your method is make sure you lift it from the point it touches the ground on each end and lean in such a way as to get your feet/scale directly under that point*. That ensures the weight registered(minus body weight) is the weight held up by that point when it is resting on the ground. Otherwise this is as easy-peasy as you thought when you first entered this nightmare joined PF.

*or, depending on the type of scale, just rest the ends of the boat directly on the scale and avoid 2/3 of that pesky math.
 

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