How write a matrix in terms of determinant and trace?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of expressing a matrix in terms of its trace (T) and determinant (D). Participants explore various formulations and approaches to represent a matrix using these two invariants, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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  • One participant proposes a specific matrix structure involving T and D, suggesting that the eigenvalues of a block matrix can be represented by these elements.
  • Another participant suggests multiple matrix forms that could represent T and D, indicating that there are infinitely many ways to construct such matrices.
  • There is a question raised about the existence of a general formula to express a matrix in terms of its invariants, T and D.
  • Some participants respond negatively to the idea of a general formula, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.
  • A later reply clarifies that a previous negative response was due to a requirement for a minimum character count, not a substantive disagreement.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of a general formula for expressing a matrix in terms of its trace and determinant. While some propose specific matrix forms, others assert that no such general formula exists, leading to an unresolved discussion.

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Limitations include the absence of a clear definition of what constitutes a "general formula" and the potential dependence on the specific properties of matrices being considered.

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Given the following: $$\\ \begin{bmatrix}
A & 0\\
0 & B\\
\end{bmatrix}$$ the eigenvalues is exactaly A and B. So analogously, is possible to write a matrix with only two elements, T and D, such that the trace is T and the determinant is D?

I tried something: $$\\ \text{tr} \left(
\begin{bmatrix}
\frac{1}{2}T & 0\\
0 & \frac{1}{2}T\\
\end{bmatrix}
\right) = T $$
$$\\ \text{det} \left(
\begin{bmatrix}
\sqrt{\frac{D}{2}} & \sqrt{-\frac{D}{2}} \\
\sqrt{-\frac{D}{2}} & \sqrt{\frac{D}{2}} \\
\end{bmatrix}
\right) = D $$
But I can't join the 2 formulas...
 
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There are infinitely many ways. You could write

\begin{pmatrix}T & D \\ -1 & 0\end{pmatrix}
for example. Or you could try

\begin{pmatrix}\frac{T}{2} & \frac{T}{2} + \sqrt D \\ \frac{T}{2} - \sqrt D & \frac{T}{2}\end{pmatrix}
Since ##T## and ##D## are the only invariants, these matrices ought to be similar. Maybe you can work out the similarity transformation.
 
Ben Niehoff said:
There are infinitely many ways. You could write

\begin{pmatrix}T & D \\ -1 & 0\end{pmatrix}
for example. Or you could try

\begin{pmatrix}\frac{T}{2} & \frac{T}{2} + \sqrt D \\ \frac{T}{2} - \sqrt D & \frac{T}{2}\end{pmatrix}
Since ##T## and ##D## are the only invariants, these matrices ought to be similar. Maybe you can work out the similarity transformation.

Yeah, yeah! The ideia is express a matrix in terms of the invariants, exist some general formula for this?
 
No.

4chars
 
Ben Niehoff said:
No.

4chars

what?
 
He's saying "no". But his reply needs to be at least 4-characters long (to prevent spam), hence the "4chars" at the end.
 

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