Hubble relation to Scale Factor

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a constant Hubble parameter in cosmology, specifically its relation to the scale factor of the universe over time. Participants explore theoretical models, mathematical derivations, and the implications of these assumptions on the size of the universe at different epochs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model where the Hubble parameter is constant, leading to an exponential growth of the scale factor, and calculates that the universe would be about one third its current size 14 billion years ago.
  • This participant questions the consistency of their findings with the concept of Hubble time, suggesting a potential contradiction in their approach.
  • Another participant challenges the initial approach, suggesting that the scale factor should be derived from the Friedmann Equations rather than solely from the definition of the Hubble parameter.
  • A third participant notes that a constant Hubble parameter implies exponential expansion, which aligns with conditions expected in a universe dominated by a positive cosmological constant and no matter density.
  • A later reply expresses frustration over misunderstanding the curriculum, indicating that the Friedmann equations were not covered in the current chapter, which contributed to the initial confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to derive the scale factor or the implications of a constant Hubble parameter. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate mathematical framework and the interpretation of results.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of the curriculum and the reliance on definitions that may not encompass the full complexity of cosmological models. There is also uncertainty regarding the implications of a constant Hubble parameter on the universe's size and Hubble time.

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Comparing sizes now and then
Imagine a Universe where the Hubble parameter is truly a constant, in both space and time.
How much smaller would such a Universe be 14 billion years ago compared to today?

Using the Hubble parameter in terms of scale factor: ##H(t) = \frac{\dot{a}}{a}## leads to
the differential equation: $$\frac{da}{dt}=a~H(t)$$
Solivng for the scale factor yields an exponential growth relation:$$a(t) = a(0)e^{Ht}$$

(##H(t) = H## since H is constant in this Universe and so it's not necessary to use the Hubble parameter
as a function of time)

If we use ##H = 70 kms^-1Mpc^-1##, current time ##t=14\times10^9~y## and initial time 14 Gy ago is ##t_0=0##, then$$\\$$
##Ht = 70~kms^{-1}~Mpc^{-1} * \frac{1}{3.09\times10^{19}}~Mpc~km^{-1} * (3600 * 24 *365.25 * 14\times10^9)~s##

This makes ##Ht## roughly equal to 1 and ##a(14)\approx a(0)e^1##
Therefore $$a(14)\approx 2.72a(0)$$

This, however, seems like a really small number, indicating the Universe was about one third of its current size
14 billion years ago for a "Constant Hubble Universe"
Also a value of 70 for the Hubble parameter corresponds to a Hubble time of 14 billion years. And if H(t) is constant then 14 billion years ago would have the same Hubble time of 14 billion years, it can't be one third of the current size and have the same Hubble time, shouldn't this Hubble time be zero 14 billion years ago?

Something(s) doesn't add upp in my approach and I'm trying to think of where I'm off
 
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Well I think your beginning is wrong. You should derive the scale factor ##a(t)## from the Friedmann Equations. Not by using only $$H = \dot{a} / a$$.

From my knowledge, the only close thing that does look like your solution is universe with lambda only which has a scale factor of
$$a(t) = e^{H_0t}$$ however here $$H_0 = \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi G ε_Λ} {3c^2}} = \sqrt{Λ/3}$$

(Also called de Sitter universe)
 
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TheMercury79 said:
Imagine a Universe where the Hubble parameter is truly a constant, in both space and time.
##H = const## means that the universe is expanding exponentially. It's the case if the Cosmological Constant ##\Lambda > 0## and the matter density ##\rho = 0##, which is expected for the very far future of our universe.
 
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I feel kinda stupid now, The Friedmann equations is in the next chapter. I was under the impression this should be solved with contents of the current chapter. But I see now I've read the curriculum wrong.
I have a full time job and taking this course on the side is really stressful. I just knew I was totally off on this.
Tnx for answers.EDIT: Actually I see now I haven't read the curriculum wrong. It's just not very clear, one place says this and that chapter, another place it says only this chapter. Huh
 
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