Huygens principle consequence of isotropy

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Huygens' principle and the isotropy of space, exploring whether the principle is a consequence of isotropy. Participants also delve into the nature of sound waves and the behavior of molecules in different directions, as well as the existence of a proof for Huygens' principle.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Huygens' principle is a consequence of isotropy, citing Wikipedia as a source.
  • Others argue that Huygens' principle can apply in anisotropic spaces, emphasizing that every point can act as a source of secondary waves.
  • There is a discussion about sound waves and whether air molecules vibrate in all directions, with some noting that the behavior of sound waves may differ from that of light waves.
  • One participant expresses a desire to understand if there is a proof for Huygens' principle, indicating that isotropy might not be necessary for its validity.
  • Another participant suggests that Huygens' principle is a successful model that makes sense, but does not provide a formal proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Huygens' principle is dependent on the isotropy of space, with some asserting it can apply in anisotropic conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a formal proof for Huygens' principle.

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Participants mention the behavior of longitudinal versus transverse waves, indicating that the discussion may be limited by the specific contexts of wave types and their properties.

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IS huygens principle a consequence of isotropy of space? According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens–Fresnel_principle it is

I don't really understand this : let's say a sound wave , a vibrator pushes the air molecule does this mean that molecule vibrates in all directions? Ofcourse the air molecule's backward vibrations will be canceled by the vibrators forward vibration but will the molecules vibrate in other directions too?
 
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jd12345 said:
IS huygens principle a consequence of isotropy of space? According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens–Fresnel_principle it is
Not really: the Huygens principle can equally well be used for anisotropic space. The principle is that every point can be regarded as a source of secondary waves.
I don't really understand this : let's say a sound wave , a vibrator pushes the air molecule does this mean that molecule vibrates in all directions? Ofcourse the air molecule's backward vibrations will be canceled by the vibrators forward vibration but will the molecules vibrate in other directions too?
Good point; it depends on the wavelength if the resulting pressure wave spreads out strongly or not, thus qualitatively similar to light. Note that Huygens primarily modeled light (I think), which is modeled as a transverse wave (oscillating perpendicular to the propagation). Thus your issue doesn't arise with light, but it could be interesting to discuss how much longitudinal waves behave differently.
 
ok actually my initial doubt was: IS there a proof to huygens principle that every point is regarded as a source of secondary waves? I thought the isotropy of space could explain it but as you say its not necessary
So is there a proof for huygens principle?
 
jd12345 said:
ok actually my initial doubt was: IS there a proof to huygens principle that every point is regarded as a source of secondary waves? I thought the isotropy of space could explain it but as you say its not necessary
So is there a proof for huygens principle?
It's a successfully working model. And on top of that, it makes sense. What more can you ask for?
 
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