Generating Electricity with Hydrogen Fuel Cells

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of generating electricity using hydrogen fuel cells, specifically focusing on the use of different electrode materials and solutions to optimize voltage output. Participants share experimental experiences and seek advice on improving their setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experiment with a hydrogen fuel cell using an aqueous NaCl solution and copper electrodes, achieving a voltage of near 1 volt, and seeks suggestions for increasing this voltage.
  • Another participant suggests using nickel electrodes as a cheaper alternative to platinum, claiming they work effectively.
  • A question is raised about the performance of nickel-chromium electrodes compared to nickel alone.
  • Concerns are mentioned regarding the potential formation of chlorine gas in the presence of chlorine reagents during the experiment, emphasizing safety precautions.
  • Information is provided about typical fuel cell voltages and the necessity of stacking multiple cells to achieve higher voltages.
  • One participant challenges the identification of a greenish substance formed during the experiment, suggesting it may not be Cu+ but rather Cu2+, which would change the solution's color to blue-green.
  • Another participant shares their experience of achieving about 1 volt using nickel electrodes and a NaOH solution with a 9-volt battery.
  • One participant reports success in increasing voltage to 1.7 volts by switching from NaOH to KOH and inquires about the optimal concentration of KOH.
  • A later reply suggests that higher concentrations of KOH may yield better results and mentions that warmer solutions could enhance performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on electrode materials and solutions, with no consensus on the best approach or optimal conditions for generating electricity with hydrogen fuel cells. Multiple competing views remain regarding the effectiveness of different materials and concentrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of safety when working with chlorine and the potential hazards associated with its formation. There is also mention of varying voltages achieved under different experimental conditions, highlighting the dependency on specific setups.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and hobbyists interested in experimental physics, electrochemistry, and renewable energy technologies, particularly those exploring hydrogen fuel cells and their applications.

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In my school we are developing and investigating the process of generating electricity by means of an hydrogen fuel cell.
We have started with an aqueous solution of NaCl and connect it to a 12 volt generator. Then, we waited for 3-4 minutes and disconnected it from the generator and connected to a voltmeter. The voltage was near 1 volt. How could we increase this voltage? We used copper electrodes, but we know the platinum would be a better catalyst, but it is being difficult to buy it here. What are your tips, suggestions, to increase this voltage?

Also, during the process it appeared a greenish substance which I think it is Cu+ from the oxidation of the cooper. Isn't it?
If you could post some links for more information about this, it would be also a great help.:approve:

Thanks in advance.
 
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Nickel electrodes are the cheapest alternative to platinum and they work like a charm.
 
And Nickel-Chromium works better or worse than just nickel?
 
Zeno's Paradox said:
In my school we are developing and investigating the process of generating electricity by means of an hydrogen fuel cell.
We have started with an aqueous solution of NaCl and connect it to a 12 volt generator. Then, we waited for 3-4 minutes and disconnected it from the generator and connected to a voltmeter. The voltage was near 1 volt. How could we increase this voltage? We used copper electrodes, but we know the platinum would be a better catalyst, but it is being difficult to buy it here. What are your tips, suggestions, to increase this voltage?

Also, during the process it appeared a greenish substance which I think it is Cu+ from the oxidation of the cooper. Isn't it?
If you could post some links for more information about this, it would be also a great help.:approve:

Thanks in advance.

Anytime the element chlorine involved in a redox environment, you want to be concerned about the formation of Cl2. The experiment should be performed under a fume hood if possible or in an adequately ventilated environment.

As far as the technicalities go, research the following webpage

http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-cell.htm
 
According to Wikipedia

A typical fuel cell produces about 0.86 volts. To create enough voltage, the cells are layered and combined in series and parallel circuits to form a fuel cell stack. The number of cells used is usually greater than 45 but varies with design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell

Also, there was no fuel cell mentioned which employed chlorine reagents. Chlorine gas is hazardous to your health!
 
the greenish substance is probably not Cu+. Cu+ is unstable, and has a tendency to become Cu2+ which will turn your solution blue-green(mostly blue). This greenish substance, what physical state does it take?
 
I would guess that nickel-chromium wire wouldn't work quite as well because most of your catalytic activity only comes from the nickel. When using a 9-volt battery, NaOH solution, and nickel electrodes extracted from a nickel-cadmium battery, I get about 1 volt after disconnection.
 
Thanks for all your help. :)
 
Your suggestions were very useful. We were able to get 1.7 volts, but instead of NaOH we used KOH. Is there an optimum KOH concentration ?
 
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Glad it worked. I haven't tried messing around with the concentration of alkali. I assume the higher the concentration the better? I know that in the industrial designs KOH is preferred over NaOH because KOH is more soluble and hence a more concentrated solution can be made. Also, I have read that warm (around 40C I think) solution works better than one at room temperature.
 

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