Hyperbolas of constant t^2 - x^2

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of hyperbolas defined by the equation t² - x² = C² in the context of spacetime diagrams. Participants explore the mathematical representation of these hyperbolas and their significance in relation to spacetime intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe hyperbolas in spacetime as curves below the light cone, comparing them to the bottom of a bathtub.
  • It is proposed that the equation t² - x² = C² represents different hyperbolas for varying constants C, similar to how circles change with different radii in the equation x² + y² = R².
  • Questions arise regarding the meaning of the constant C, with some participants suggesting it could relate to the speed of light or other parameters.
  • One participant emphasizes that the hyperbolas represent points separated from the origin by the same spacetime interval, indicating that an inertial clock would show the same time at those events.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding these curves is a mathematical exercise, encouraging familiarity with drawing and visualizing curves from their equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of the constant C and its implications, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the specific meaning of C or its relation to physical concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the constant C and its physical significance, as well as the mathematical steps involved in visualizing the hyperbolas.

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I know hyberbola in spacetime diagram is that curve-like line below the light cone much like the bottom of a bath tub. But what does "hyperbolas of constant t^2 - x^2" represent? Can anyone point to a spacetime diagram or draw it? Thanks. Happy New Year!
 
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It means t^2 - x^2 = C^2 for some constant C^2. For different value of C you should a different curve, just like the circle x^2 + y^2 = R^2, for different R you get circle of different radius.
 
yenchin said:
It means t^2 - x^2 = C^2 for some constant C^2. For different value of C you should a different curve, just like the circle x^2 + y^2 = R^2, for different R you get circle of different radius.

t is time, x is horizontal coordinate.. what is C? is it the speed of light? or vertical? or other points?
 
stglyde said:
t is time, x is horizontal coordinate.. what is C? is it the speed of light? or vertical? or other points?

I did say C is some constant, just a number. You can ask the same question in the case of a circle, what is R? This question really has nothing to do with special relativity, it's just mathematics of a hyperbola. Just consider the hyperbola in a more familiar Euclidean setting: x^2 - y^2 = 1, x^2 - y^2 = 2, x^2 - y^2 = 3, etc do you see that they are different hyperbola [different curve]?
 
stglyde said:
I know hyberbola in spacetime diagram is that curve-like line below the light cone much like the bottom of a bath tub. But what does "hyperbolas of constant t^2 - x^2" represent? Can anyone point to a spacetime diagram or draw it? Thanks. Happy New Year!
They are all of the points which are separated from the origin by the same spacetime interval. I.e. an inertial clock starting at the origin would show the same time at any of those events.
 
stglyde said:
I know hyberbola in spacetime diagram is that curve-like line below the light cone much like the bottom of a bath tub. But what does "hyperbolas of constant t^2 - x^2" represent? Can anyone point to a spacetime diagram or draw it? Thanks. Happy New Year!

Hi stglyde, and Happy New Year to you. Here are a couple of space-time diagram sketches along with a development of the algebra associated with the hyperbolic curves in the diagrams.
ProperTimeCurves2.jpg
 
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stglyde said:
I know hyberbola in spacetime diagram is that curve-like line below the light cone much like the bottom of a bath tub.

The term "hyperbola" refers to a general type of curve. Hyperbolas of constant t^2 - x^2 are a particular subset of all possible hyperbolas. As yenchin said, just pick any constant number for the "constant"; I'll choose 1. Then the curve

[tex]t^{2} - x^{2} = 1[/tex]

is a hyperbola, a curve containing all events that lie at a spacetime interval of 1 from the origin (t=0, x=0).

If you're not practiced at being able to draw (or get the computer to draw) and visualize curves from their equations, it would be well worth taking some time to learn. This Wikipedia page is a good place to start looking for software that can help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_information_graphics_software
 

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