I am bored in high school. What should I do?

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The discussion revolves around how a high school student, currently in Grade 10 and interested in becoming a physicist, can combat boredom and enhance their learning in physics and mathematics. Participants share resources, book recommendations, and strategies for self-study, focusing on calculus, physics, and other advanced topics.

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  • The original poster (OP) expresses a desire to learn more advanced physics and calculus independently, seeking recommendations for subjects and books.
  • Some participants suggest taking AP Calculus and AP Physics to stay engaged until college.
  • One participant recommends the Feynman Lectures as a more engaging alternative to the "Dummies" series, emphasizing the importance of mathematics alongside physics.
  • Several participants recommend specific calculus books, such as Spivak, Stewart, and Serge Lang's "A First Course in Calculus," while cautioning against using "Dummies" books.
  • There are mixed opinions on the usefulness of Khan Academy, with some suggesting it as a supplementary resource and others advising against relying on it for learning new material.
  • One participant mentions their own experience with calculus and suggests exploring differential equations and other advanced topics as part of the learning path.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of understanding calculus deeply before moving on to other subjects in mathematics and physics.
  • Links to online learning platforms like edX and Coursera are shared as additional resources for college-level material.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of self-study and the need for a solid foundation in calculus for aspiring physicists. However, there are competing views regarding the effectiveness of certain resources, such as the "Dummies" series and Khan Academy, with no consensus on the best approach to learning.

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Some participants note that the recommendations depend on the OP's current understanding and prerequisites for calculus, which are not fully clarified in the discussion. There is also a recognition that different books may suit different learning styles and levels of preparedness.

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Currently I am in Grade 10 (taking Physics and Math 11). I want to become a physicist but right now I am stuck. I love to learn and what we are learning is interesting but we are going at such a slow pace. To combat this boredom, I learned some Calculus by reading "Calculus for Dummies" as well as doing a bunch of calculus questions. Currently I am reading "Physics for Dummies" to get a basic foundation in the subject. I plan on teaching myself more advanced physics during the few years I have until university. Could you give me a list of subjects and books I should start learning/reading (if possible, please list the subjects/books in order of what I need to learn). Thank you.
 
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Take AP Calculus and AP physics, those will keep you busy until college.
 
Don't read the dummies series, you'll only remain a dummy :P. Start reading Feynman lectures; like you I was bored in grade 11, that's when I read Feynman lectures. It'll turn your interest in learning into an obsessive passion :P. Make sure you are also doing mathematics by the side. There are some really good calculus books out there. Research! Calculus and linear algebra are a must for a physicist. I've only used spivak for calculus - I don't think that's suitable for a grade 10 student. Maybe others can recommend a good book for calc. Do linear algebra using Meyer, axler, or ray kunze.

Good luck!

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You can learn a lot of stuff--calculus and higher math, programming, and (I think) physics, from khanacademy.com. It's videos and quizzes, although not all the subjects actually have quizzes (I think in math, for example, they stop having them around where calc I would end). That might help keep you occupied.
 
20Tauri said:
You can learn a lot of stuff--calculus and higher math, programming, and (I think) physics, from khanacademy.com. It's videos and quizzes, although not all the subjects actually have quizzes (I think in math, for example, they stop having them around where calc I would end). That might help keep you occupied.

You shouldn't learn anything from KhanAcademy, but only use it to reinforce what you do know.

To the OP, I'm actually in a somewhat similar situation. Fortunately, you don't need your school's permission to go buy a book on your own, and work through it. I have no idea what Math 11 is (obviously its grade 11 math that you're taking as a sophomore, which would typically be an algebra II course, but there's no way to know for sure), but if you do have the prerequisites for learning Calculus, then either search the forums for threads asking about good calculus books (there are tons of them), or you can look into Serge Lang's A First Course in Calculus.

I'm currently working through it now, and it's actually a very good book to work through, considering it isn't as ridiculously difficult as Spivak (I tried it out of curiosity, mainly just to see if I could do it, but the time it took to go barely into the problems in Ch.1 wasn't a good sign for what was to come), but is still challenging and good to learn from. For physics books, I won't be of much help, because the only physics book that I know of, and have worked through, is Giancoli's Physics that I use for school, which isn't horrible, but it is algebra based.

Anyway, just try to stick it out, and self-study in the meantime. College will undoubtedly be better than the BS that high school is.
 
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You shouldn't learn anything from KhanAcademy, but only use it to reinforce what you do know.

I agree with antifreeze. Khan Academy is good for when you're working through problems and you go, "Oh crap, I totally forgot how to do (insert algebraic technique here)."

Like I mentioned to another poster who's bored in HS, if you're in algebra, don't skimp on it! It might be boring (because you're really not DOING anything), but you won't want to have to play catch-up when you hit calculus and actually start doing stuff. I'm taking calculus four years after trig and it's not fun! (Well, calc is fun anyway, but forgetting the algebra is frustrating.)
 
I have worked through a book on Calculus, got some help from the calculus teacher at my school and watched the videos on Khanacadamy. I have purchased "Differential Equations Demystified" and will be working through that soon enough. What other subjects might you suggest I start learning, if I want to be a physicist?
 
I would recommend you learn from a real calculus book instead of the dummy books. My high school teacher in my math used to tell me "Don't read a book that insults you." So, don't assume you're a dummy. Pick up a real book like Spivak or Stewart, or Penny, or a myriad of other calculus books that assume you have reasonable intelligence. Learn, understand, look for deeper meaning, and then proceed once you can explain why the mean value theorem matters in calculus or how to derive series and use them.

Then you can move on to Linear Algebra, Differential Equations, Statistics, Partial Differential Equations, and million other topics a person can learn and be used in physics. However, it all starts with the a good understanding of calculus.
 
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MarneMath said:
I would recommend you learn from a real calculus book instead of the dummy books. My high school teacher in my math used to tell me "Don't read a book that insults you." So, don't assume you're a dummy. Pick up a real book like Spivak or Stewart, or Penny, or a myriad of other calculus books that assume you have reasonable intelligence. Learn, understand, look for deeper meaning, and then proceed once you can explain why the mean value theorem matters in calculus or how to derive series and use them.

Then you can move on to Linear Algebra, Differential Equations, Statistics, Partial Differential Equations, and million other topics a person can learn and be used in physics. However, it all starts with the a good understanding of calculus.

Actually, I have read and worked through one of my school's textbooks for AP Calculus. Admittedly, however, I did use Calculus for Dummies as my main source of info and the textbook as more a reference. In hindsight it seems a bit silly and it should have been the other way around.
 
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If you're really bored and want to try some college intro level stuff so you are aware of what you are getting into beforehand than you could try:

https://www.edx.org/
 

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