I am trying to summarise the concept of divergence. Say I have a

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The discussion revolves around the concept of divergence in vector fields, particularly focusing on a radially spreading vector field and its implications for electric fields. Participants explore the relationship between field line behavior, divergence, and electric flux, raising questions about the nature of divergence in constant magnitude fields.

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  • One participant questions whether a vector field can have equal magnitudes at all points while still exhibiting divergence, using the analogy of electric fields and their spreading lines.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical formulation for a vector pointing from the origin and suggests taking its divergence, but does not directly address the original question about spreading.
  • A later reply reiterates the mathematical approach but expresses confusion about how the spreading of the field affects divergence.
  • One participant calculates the divergence of a specific vector field and concludes it is positive, seeking confirmation of this result.
  • Another participant introduces an analogy involving "flying bits of strawberry jam" to illustrate how divergence relates to the perceived density of the field at varying distances from the origin.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between divergence and the strength of the field, with one participant expressing confusion about how a constant field can still exhibit positive divergence.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of divergence in constant magnitude fields, with no consensus reached on the relationship between spreading field lines and divergence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of divergence in the context of electric fields.

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Participants reference mathematical formulations and analogies to clarify their points, but the discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the nature of divergence and its relationship to field strength and flux.

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I am trying to summarise the concept of divergence.

Say I have a vector field, that is radially spreading outwards from the (0,0), but all vectors are equal in each point. So there are no deviations in magnitude in vectors(is that even possible?), but the field lines are spreading like in point charge.

Is this positive divergence? (At any point except the origin)

This question mainly popped out because, at electric field, you have spreading field lines. But this spreading is being compensated by the inverse-square law. Thus divergence is 0 at any point, except the origin.

This spreading of field lines is confusing me, how does this affect divergence?

Can you say, that the, let's say Electric flux is more "dense", if the electric field is stronger at that point? Is that right way of thinking?
 
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A vector pointing directly from the origin to point (x,y,z) is a scalar times x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{z}. In order to make that a constant, say, 1, we can divide by its length \sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}. That is, we want
(x^2+ y^2+ z^2)^{1/2}(x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}).
(If you want a constant other than 1, multiply this by that constant.)

Take the divergence of that.
 


HallsofIvy said:
A vector pointing directly from the origin to point (x,y,z) is a scalar times x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{z}. In order to make that a constant, say, 1, we can divide by its length \sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}. That is, we want
(x^2+ y^2+ z^2)^{1/2}(x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}).
(If you want a constant other than 1, multiply this by that constant.)

Take the divergence of that.

Ok I will try that. But still this doesn't answer my question, how does spreading out affect divergence.
 


So about that divergence you told me.

my vector form is:

\vec{A}(x,y,z)=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}} \vec{i}+\frac{y}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}} \vec{j}+\frac{z}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}} \vec{k}

div \vec{A}= \frac{\partial \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial \frac{y}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial \frac{z}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}}{\partial z}= \frac{2}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}

Assuming that I did derivatives well. From this I conclude, that divergence is positive, for any x,y,z(zero not defined). Correct?
 


More, since the divergence is proportional to 1/r, the "thickness" of the spread decreases proportional to 1/r- the further you are from the center, the less you the "rays" you will feel.

If your vector field consisted of flying bits of strawberry jam, the further out you stand, the less strawberry jam you will get.
 


HallsofIvy said:
More, since the divergence is proportional to 1/r, the "thickness" of the spread decreases proportional to 1/r- the further you are from the center, the less you the "rays" you will feel.

If your vector field consisted of flying bits of strawberry jam, the further out you stand, the less strawberry jam you will get.

I am getting mixed up here with flux and all. So my filed does diverge, and even though its constant. But in that volume definition sense, strength of the field is same when it entered and exited that infinitesimally small volume. How come I got positive divergence?
 

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