I cant understand this prove explanation on limit series

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The discussion revolves around the proof of a limit involving a continuous and bounded function as the variable approaches infinity. The original poster presents a specific limit statement and references an article on epsilon-delta proofs, expressing confusion about the application of delta in the context of limits approaching infinity.

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile their understanding of delta in limit proofs with the context of limits approaching infinity. Some participants clarify the distinction between limits at finite points and those at infinity, questioning the role of delta in these scenarios.

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Participants are exploring the differences in definitions and applications of delta and M in limit proofs. There is an ongoing dialogue about the implications of these definitions, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's confusion.

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The original poster references an external article that may contain differing interpretations of epsilon-delta proofs, which adds complexity to their understanding of the topic. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in distinguishing between limits approaching finite values and those approaching infinity.

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there is a continues function f(x) and bounded on (x_0,+infinity)
proove that for every T there is a sequence
X_n=+infinity
so
lim [f(x_n +T) - f(x_n)]=0
n->+infinity

i was told:
uppose that \lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=a. So we know that given any \varepsilon>0 there exists a \eta>0 such that \eta< x\implies |f(x)-a|<\varepsilon~(1), and since x_n\to \infty we may find a \delta>0 such that \delta<n\implies \eta<x_n~(2). Now suppose that T>0 (the proof for the other cases is analgous), then choose \delta such that (2)\implies (1) then \left[f\left(x+T\right)-f(x)\right|\leqslant \left|f\left(x+T\right)-a\right|+|f(x)-a|<2\varepsilon, this implies the result.


but whrn i read this article on limit proves
http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-h...e-never-learnt-well-epsilon-delta-proofs.html

i learned from the delta proofes article that when you define the delta

<br /> \delta&gt;0<br />
it needs to come with
<br /> |x-x_3|&lt;\delta<br />
in our case x_3 goes to infinity
so the inqueality that i presented not logical

but on the other hand
it how its done on the article limit proove

??
 
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Limits in which x approaches infinity are proved differently than those for which x approaches some finite number a.

\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} f(x) = L

means that for any \epsilon &gt; 0 there exists a number M > 0, such that for any x > M, then |f(x) - L| < \epsilon

If I want to prove the limit above to you, you tell me how close f(x) has to be to L (you give me \epsilon), and I tell you a number M.

If you're satisfied, we shake hands and go about our business.

If you're not satisfied, you tell me another \epsilon that's even smaller, and I have to find another M (even larger).

And so on, until you're convinced that I can force f(x) as close to L as you like, by specifiying how big x has to be.

Got it?
 
in your explanation M is delta>0
??
 
transgalactic said:
in your explanation M is delta>0
??
No. M is generally a pretty large number, while \delta is usually very small. A big difference is the definition I showed doesn't try to get x within \delta of infinity.
 
but he does use delta

for what purpose
??
 
If the limit is as x approaches a finite number a, you use \delta, since you want to make x very close to a. I.e., you want to make |x - a| < \delta.
If the limit is as x approaches infinity, that's a different matter, since as I explained earlier, you can't get x within \delta of infinity. You can, however, make x larger than some (presumably large) number M.

I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.
 

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