I hate signs, a simple problem with electric potential

In summary, the problem involves calculating the speed of a proton and an electron accelerated through an electric potential difference of 120V. The formula used is \Delta PE = q\Delta V = -\Delta KE, but for the electron, the direction of the field needs to be reversed. This is because the convention is to assign the direction of the electric field as the direction in which a positive charge will move. The formula works for the electron, but not for the proton due to the different direction of acceleration.
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flyingpig
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Homework Statement



(a) Calculate the speed of a proton that is accelerated from rest through an electric potential difference of 120V

(b) Calculate the speed of an electron that is accelerated from rest through an electric potential difference of 120V




The Attempt at a Solution



Basically it is

[tex]\Delta PE = q\Delta V = -\Delta KE[/tex]

[tex]q\Delta V = -\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]

So what is the problem? It works fine with an electron sign the signs cancel out, but not the electron. Why?
 
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flyingpig said:

Homework Statement



(a) Calculate the speed of a proton that is accelerated from rest through an electric potential difference of 120V

(b) Calculate the speed of an electron that is accelerated from rest through an electric potential difference of 120V




The Attempt at a Solution



Basically it is

[tex]\Delta PE = q\Delta V = -\Delta KE[/tex]

[tex]q\Delta V = -\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]

So what is the problem? It works fine with an electron sign the signs cancel out, but not the electron. Why?
You have to reverse the field to accelerate the electron. So the [itex]\Delta V[/itex] has to change direction.

The convention is to assign to the electric field a direction which is the direction in which a positive charge will move (ie. the direction of the force on a positive charge). So the proton will accelerate from higher to lower potential (eg. from +V to 0). The electron, however, is accelerated from lower potential to higher potential (eg. from 0 to + V).

AM
 
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flyingpig said:
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So what is the problem? It works fine with an electron sign the signs cancel out, but not the electron. Why?
So what is the problem? It works fine with an electron sign the signs cancel out, but not the electron. Why?
Read what you wrote!

Are you saying it works for an electron or are you saying it doesn't work for an electron?
 
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*but not the proton
 
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SammyS said:
Read what you wrote!

Are you saying it works for an electron or are you saying it doesn't work for an electron?

flyingpig said:
*but not the proton
Huh ??

To be fair, I know what you mean, but
... it appears that you didn't even take the time to recognize that my question required MORE than an implicit yes or no.​

I suppose you meant that:
"I (the flyingpig) can get this to work for an electron, but not for a proton."

At any rate, Andrew Mason gave you enough to resolve the problem.
 

What is electric potential?

Electric potential is a measure of the potential energy per unit charge at a specific point in an electric field. It is commonly denoted by the symbol V and is measured in volts (V).

Why do people hate signs about electric potential?

Many people find signs about electric potential confusing and overwhelming because they often involve complex equations and terminology that is not commonly understood. This can lead to frustration and dislike for the subject.

What is the relationship between electric potential and electric field?

Electric potential is directly related to electric field. The electric field is the force per unit charge at a specific point, while electric potential is the potential energy per unit charge at that same point. Therefore, changes in electric potential can be used to determine the direction and magnitude of the electric field.

How can I better understand electric potential?

One way to better understand electric potential is to visualize it as the height of a hill. The higher the hill, the greater the potential energy. Similarly, the higher the electric potential at a point, the greater the potential energy of a charged particle at that point.

What are some real-world applications of electric potential?

Electric potential has many practical applications, such as in electrical circuits, batteries, and generators. It is also used in medical procedures, such as electrocardiograms and electroencephalograms, to measure the electric potential of the body.

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