I need some help with the analysis of acceleration

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The discussion centers on calculating gravity using a formula based on height and time, specifically in the context of analyzing footage from the Apollo missions. Participants debate the accuracy of estimates for height and time, arguing that rough estimates undermine the validity of gravity calculations. A key point raised is that to simulate lunar gravity accurately, footage would need to be slowed down to 41%, not 67% as previously claimed. The calculations presented show that the estimated gravity from the footage does not align with expected lunar or Earth gravity values, suggesting inconsistencies in the footage's portrayal of gravity. Overall, the conversation highlights the challenges in using estimated values to draw conclusions about the authenticity of the Apollo mission footage.
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Cosmored said:
The moving flag issue-

...clearly isn't the case.

How so? You say "clearly isn't the case" because you have run past a few non descript pieces of material at home? My video shows the whole frame pushing right in one clear motion. It is full and concise an explanation as you can get. You previously acknowledged it as one of two possibilities alongside your air movement theory.

Cite your "wall of air/pressure wave" science and show me your calculations. I have already told you there is a negligible air wave in front of a human being moving in an unrestricted environment. Movement could occur as a body passes by something, or if very large or fast, in front of it. The astronaut is neither large nor fast.

Regarding the issue of the bouncing jacket corner

The motion is entirely consistent with a weightless environment. Your argument is a strawman, since you attribute the action to gravity when it is not. I have already pointed out the various signs of weightlessness, and am completely mystified how you could think that footage could possibly have been filmed on Earth. I have nothing further to say on the matter. Please do not raise this again. If you do not accept the obvious signs, there is nothing more to say. I suggest you buy the Apollo 11 Men on the Moon boxset, it is about $10 and has more footage than that in the video you refer to.
 
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The motion is entirely consistent with a weightless environment. Your argument is a strawman, since you attribute the action to gravity when it is not. I have already pointed out the various signs of weightlessness, and am completely mystified how you could think that footage could possibly have been filmed on Earth. I have nothing further to say on the matter. Please do not raise this again. If you do not accept the obvious signs, there is nothing more to say. I suggest you buy the Apollo 11 Men on the Moon boxset, it is about $10 and has more footage than that in the video you refer to.
You're not being very sporting. The movement of the cuffs and the dogtags is very relevant to this issue. I think you should give your analysis of the movement as I'm still convinced that it shows gravity. Also, I think you should clarify the objects you say move the way they would move in zero-gravity. I still can't see what you're referring to. These are legitimate relevant questions. I don't see why you don't even want to address them if you only want the truth to prevail.
 
  • #53
Cosmored said:
You're not being very sporting. The movement of the cuffs and the dogtags is very relevant to this issue. I think you should give your analysis of the movement as I'm still convinced that it shows gravity. Also, I think you should clarify the objects you say move the way they would move in zero-gravity. I still can't see what you're referring to. These are legitimate relevant questions. I don't see why you don't even want to address them if you only want the truth to prevail.

Sporting? You can start by addressing the two issues you chose not to answer in my last post.

Then would you kindly explain your post at the original forum you referred me to. I checked back to see if you had fed back any of the information I had passed to you, and I see to my alarm that you appear to have ignored all the work I did analysing the very things you now claim to need.

You also still dispute the Apollo 11 footage despite me providing a link to where it had been sped up with timestamps, and the original footage.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4907288&postcount=2106


You have just basically cut and pasted from posts 40 and 42 from this thread and ignored my answers.
 
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Sporting? You can start by addressing the two issues you chose not to answer in my last post.
I was eventually going to get to it. I wanted to tell you that I wanted some objective analyses of the movement of the cuffs and the dogtags and that I still couldn't identify the objects that you say moved the way they would in zero-gravity. I still want answers to these issues.

I said I'd tried an experiment at home and the fabric moved the way the flag moved in the video. Anyone can try this. I still don't know how to post footage but, as anyone can test this at home, it's not really necessary.

You don't seem to be considering this video.


I can't do precise measurements so I have no way to verify what you say you measured. I've linked to this forum several times on the other forum; I just assumed everybody was following our discussion.

You also still dispute the Apollo 11 footage despite me providing a link to where it had been sped up with timestamps, and the original footage.

That still doesn't prove that the part where the speed is supposedly doubled in this video...


...wasn't really more than doubled.

You don't seem to be putting any importance on the way the movements look in these two videos when it's said that the Apollo 11 footage was doubled in speed.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8455110982587487066#
(30:40 time mark)

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736#
(21:00 time mark)

Don't you think the movements look suspiciously like Earth movements?

I still want your analyses of the movement of the cuffs and dogtags in this video.

(00:50 time mark)
 
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