I remember my teacher saying that anti-lock brakes worked better

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of anti-lock brakes and the differences between static and kinetic friction coefficients. Participants explore the reasons why anti-lock brakes are considered to function more effectively, particularly in relation to the impulse applied during braking.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a teacher's assertion that anti-lock brakes work better due to the higher static friction coefficient compared to kinetic friction, questioning the role of impulse in this context.
  • Another participant confirms that the static friction coefficient is indeed higher than the kinetic friction coefficient, stating that this is a common characteristic of friction without linking it to the force applied on the brake pedal.
  • A third participant proposes a simple experiment involving tilting a surface to demonstrate the difference between static and kinetic friction coefficients, suggesting that the angle at which an object begins to slide (alpha) will be greater than the angle on a vibrating surface (beta).
  • The same participant concludes that the observed result supports the idea that static friction is greater than dynamic friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between static and kinetic friction coefficients, but the discussion includes varying interpretations of how this relates to the performance of anti-lock brakes and the role of impulse.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of impulse in braking effectiveness or the specific conditions under which the proposed experiment would yield clear results.

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I remember my teacher saying that anti-lock brakes worked better because of the static friction coeffiecient was higher than the kinetic friction, but i never understood why. Is it beacuse when you stab the brakes their is a larger impulse?
 
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The static friction coefficient between the wheels and the ground is higher than the kinetic friction coefficient. It doesn't have anything to do with how hard you push on the pedals - it is typical of most static and kinetic friction situations.
 


carry out a simple experiment:
take an object ,keep it on a flat surface. Now start tilting the table SLOWLY. not down the angle with horizontal the surface makes at which the object just starts sliding. the this is alpha.
Now take a vibrating surface which continuously vibrates with a small amplitude. The vibration shall be in the horizontal direction and sufficiently rapid. Keep the object on it. tilt the surface. Note the angle again, say, beta.
compare alpha and beta.
you will find that alpha>beta. Why?
this is because coeff. of friction in static condition is more than than in dynamic condition.
 


thanks for the responses guys, so when I raise the plane and its vibrating the object will slide sooner.
 

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