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The problem involves an amateur skater attempting to return to safety by throwing her gloves while on ice, where she experiences slipping. The skater's mass and the gloves' mass are provided, and the goal is to determine the skater's velocity after the throw using principles of momentum conservation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the initial and final momentum of the system, questioning the implications of the conservation of momentum. There are attempts to express the skater's velocity in terms of the gloves' velocity and mass.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in a back-and-forth regarding the conservation of momentum, with some confirming the initial momentum is zero and discussing the implications for the final momentum. There is an acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding regarding the calculations, but no consensus on the correct approach has been reached.

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The problem is framed within a homework context, emphasizing the need to solve using variables rather than numerical values. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of momentum principles.

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Homework Statement



An amateur skater of mass M is trapped in the middle of an ice rink and is unable to return to the side where there is no ice. Every motion she makes causes her to slip on the ice and remain in the same spot. She decides to try to return to safety by throwing her gloves of mass m in the direction opposite the safe side.

If she does move, calculate her velocity v-girl relative to the Earth after she throws the gloves, otherwise enter 0. (Use the following as necessary: m, M, and v-gloves).

Homework Equations



change in momentum = final momentum - initial momentum


The Attempt at a Solution



using the equation above i got that

v→ girl = (m/M) v→gloves

(i tried to show that its a vector above.)

but the answer is wrong, any suggestions?
 
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What is the initial momentum?
 


its not given, you have to solve the velocity using variable. No number involved
 
Let us assume that the skater is initially at rest.
Then what is the initial momentum?
 
it would be zero
 
Correct.
Then what is the final momentum?
 
either 0 or M v girl
 
If the initial momentum was 0, what does the Principle of Conservation of Momentum tell us?
 
That the final momentum has to equal to zero?
 
  • #10
Correct!
So the momentum of the girl must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the glove.
 
  • #11
so it like thi

v girl = -(m glove* v glove)/m girl

right?
 
  • #12
right.
 
  • #13
but the website says that answer is wrong. IDK why tho
 
  • #14
The Physics I know tells me that if the total initial momentum of system in a certain direction is zero then the final total momentum in that direction is zero also so long as there are no resultant forces on the system in that given direction.

So the momentum of the girl must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the glove.
 

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