Calculating Velocity of Ice Skater After Throwing Snowball

  • Thread starter Thread starter PierceJ
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Ball
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an ice skater who throws a snowball and seeks to determine the skater's subsequent velocity. The context includes concepts of momentum and conservation laws, specifically in a frictionless environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of momentum before and after the snowball is thrown, questioning the direction of motion and the implications of the problem's title. There are discussions about significant digits and the interpretation of the skater's movement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the setup and assumptions. Some have acknowledged misinterpretations of the problem, while others are attempting to clarify the conservation equations involved. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the discussion is moving towards a clearer understanding of the momentum conservation principle.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of significant digits and units, with participants questioning their relevance to the problem's data. The initial conditions of the skater being at rest are also a point of focus.

PierceJ
Messages
45
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


A 63 kg ice skater, at rest on frictionless ice, tosses a 4.06 kg snowball with velocity given by v = ( -14.3 i + 17.2 j ) m/s, where the x and y axes are both in the horizontal plane. Find the subsequent velocity of the skater.

Homework Equations


p = mv
p = m1v1+...

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by finding the total momentum of the system by multiplying 4.06 by each part of the vector and I got:
( -58.058i + 69.832j )
Then I set that equal to the two masses added together times v.
( -58.058i + 69.832j ) = 67.06v
v = ( -0.8658i + 1.041j)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What is your question? Where are the units? What about significant digits?
 
The question is there "Find the subsequent velocity of the skater."
The units are also there, m/s
4 significant digits
 
PierceJ said:

Homework Statement


A 63 kg ice skater, at rest on frictionless ice, tosses a 4.06 kg snowball with velocity given by v = ( -14.3 i + 17.2 j ) m/s, where the x and y axes are both in the horizontal plane. Find the subsequent velocity of the skater.

Homework Equations


p = mv
p = m1v1+...

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by finding the total momentum of the system by multiplying 4.06 by each part of the vector and I got:
( -58.058i + 69.832j )
Then I set that equal to the two masses added together times v.
( -58.058i + 69.832j ) = 67.06v
v = ( -0.8658i + 1.041j)

Is the skater moving in the same direction as the ball he has just thrown?

Or was the ball thrown at him, as the title of your post suggests?
 
Last edited:
If the skater moves off with velocity w,and the masses are m (snowball) and M, what is the conservation equation (in symbols, not numbers)?
 
p = Mw + mv?
 
PierceJ said:
The question is there "Find the subsequent velocity of the skater."
I meant what is your question, why did you post? I now realize that I misread the question, as I had in mind what you wrote for the title of the thread. But is the problem really "Ball thrown at skater," as PeroK also asked?

PierceJ said:
The units are also there, m/s
I meant in your answer.

QUOTE="PierceJ, post: 5030654, member: 546115"]
4 significant digits[/QUOTE]
Why 4? Is this compatible with the data from the problem?

But you should start by answering haruspex's question correctly.
 
I realize now that I have read the problem wrong, but even so I still don't know how to answer haruspex's question. I know this forum is designed for me to figure out with only a little help but I'm completely lost here.
 
PierceJ said:
I realize now that I have read the problem wrong, but even so I still don't know how to answer haruspex's question. I know this forum is designed for me to figure out with only a little help but I'm completely lost here.
The question is about conservation. What can you write that relates before the throw to after the throw?
 
  • #10
(m1+m2)( -14.3 i + 17.2 j ) = m1v1+m2v2?
 
  • #11
Start from the momentum.
 
  • #12
PierceJ said:
(m1+m2)( -14.3 i + 17.2 j ) = m1v1+m2v2?
It says the skater throws, not catches, the snowball. What is the momentum of the system before the skater does so? What is the momentum of the snowball after the skater has thrown it?
 
  • #13
The momentum before is 0? Cause the guy isn't moving?
Momentum of the snowball after is its mass times the velocity given in the problem.
 
  • #14
PierceJ said:
The momentum before is 0? Cause the guy isn't moving?
Momentum of the snowball after is its mass times the velocity given in the problem.
Right. So have another go at the equation.
 
  • #15
Ah I see, I got it now. Thank you for putting up with me haha.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K