'IdealFluid' Describe Behavior of Matter in Phase State of liquid/gas+

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The discussion centers on the terminology used in Continuum Mechanics, specifically regarding the definitions of 'Ideal Fluid' and 'Ideal Solid.' An 'Ideal Fluid' is characterized by continuous deformation under shear stress, typically exhibiting zero shear modulus, while an 'Ideal Solid' has a non-zero shear modulus and can be described by various Constitutive Material models such as elasticity and plasticity. The conversation highlights the historical context of these terms and suggests a need for more precise terminology to avoid confusion, particularly in distinguishing solid mechanics from fluid mechanics.

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One thing about terminology that I think c/should be changed for Continuum Mechanics:

1) 'Ideal Fluid' Describe Behavior of Matter in Phase States of liquid/gas and sometimes Bulk-Solid:

-continually deform under applied shear stress or external force
-usually zero shear modulus
-behavior can further be specified by Constitutive Material model for that fluid, e.g. viscoelasticity2) 'Ideal Solid' Describe Behavior of Matter in Phase States of Solid and sometimes Liquid:

-usually NON-zero shear modulus
-behavior can further be specified by Constitutive Material model for that solid, e.g. elasticity, plasticity, viscoelasticity
-solid-continua and structure elements

3) Historically, it's understood Solid describes both phase state & matter behavior, whereas Fluid describes matter behavior for variety phase states

-So instead of Solid Mechanics/Dynamics, I think that this term should be updated
-is there more general term instead of solid, as in the same spirit as fluid term? Any suggestions?

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PS, by the way term solid is also used when describing e.g. cylinder that is not hollow, but again solid refers to phase state of matter. Is there more rigorous term than 'solid or un-hollow' to describe object that is not hollow?
 
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Lou Tkach said:
One thing about terminology that I think c/should be changed for Continuum Mechanics:
Terminology develops over time and that haphazard development sometimes leads to inconsistencies in usage or the same word being used in different ways in different contexts. You've found one of these.

The terminology may not be optimal, but it it is what it is and there's no way of changing it once it's established. Because there's not much to do here except recognize that the terminology is what it is, this thread is closed.
 
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