If diamonds are made of carbon? and coal is made out carbon

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The discussion centers on the differences in transparency between diamonds and coal, both of which are composed of carbon. Participants explore the underlying reasons for these differences, including crystal structure, density, and electronic properties, while considering the implications of these factors in terms of material properties and applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the crystalline structure of diamonds, compared to that of coal, is a key factor in their differing transparency.
  • Others note that diamonds are formed under high pressure and heat, which contributes to their unique properties, but the process is expensive and not commonly used for practical applications.
  • One participant highlights the density differences between diamond and graphite, questioning its relevance to transparency.
  • Another participant discusses the various allotropes of carbon, including diamond and graphite, and their differing electrical and thermal conductivity properties.
  • Some contributions mention the production of synthetic diamonds and their applications, including in jewelry and as substrates in semiconductor technology.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of band gaps in semiconductors to explain the optical properties of diamond and coal, suggesting that the band gap in diamond prevents the absorption of visible light, while coal's mixed structure leads to different light absorption characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons for the differences in transparency between diamonds and coal. There is no consensus on a single explanation, as various factors such as crystal structure, density, and electronic properties are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the production processes and properties of diamonds and coal depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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If diamonds are made of carbon? and coal is made out carbon, why are diamonds transparent and coal is not transparent?
 
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Crystaline structure?
 


Diamonds are carbon put into high amounts of pressure and heat.

The whole process is very expencive, too expencive for any practical use in making them. The quantity of diamond you get out of any amount of carbon is too costly to be beneficial, therefore, this process is rarely used, if ever.
 


Sammyg said:
If diamonds are made of carbon? and coal is made out carbon, why are diamonds transparent and coal is not transparent?

What Phrak said. It is the crystal structure that is different, i.e. how the carbon atoms are arranged.

Note that it isn't just the optical properties that's different due to the crystal structure difference. The physical strength of the material is also different. Compare the hardness of graphite versus diamond.

This is a good example on why many of the properties of solids depends NOT on the "atomic" properties of the individual atoms making up the solid, but on the "collective" property of the atoms, i.e. how they behave as a whole group. This is why how the atoms of the material are arranged and how they behave collectively are extremely important.

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Diamond density is about 3.5 to 3.53 grams per cubic cm, while graphite is only 2.0 to 2.25 grams per cubic cm.
 


Bob S said:
Diamond density is about 3.5 to 3.53 grams per cubic cm, while graphite is only 2.0 to 2.25 grams per cubic cm.

And what does that have to do with transparency?
 


[Bob S] Diamond density is about 3.5 to 3.53 grams per cubic cm, while graphite is only 2.0 to 2.25 grams per cubic cm.
Vanadium 50 said:
And what does that have to do with transparency?
Diamond is one of several carbon allotropes, which include fullerenes {buckyballs), nanotubes, graphite, graphene, and coal (not really an allotrope). Graphite is a good electrical conductor, while diamond is a good insulator. Diamond is a very good thermal conductor but at the same time an electrical insulator (doesn't obey the Wiedeman Franz law). If sulfur can have red, yellow, and black allotropes, why can't carbon have one that is transparent?
 
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Division said:
Diamonds are carbon put into high amounts of pressure and heat.

The whole process is very expencive, too expencive for any practical use in making them. The quantity of diamond you get out of any amount of carbon is too costly to be beneficial, therefore, this process is rarely used, if ever.

Yes, but the industry produces in the region of 3 billion carats, or 600 metric tons of synthetic diamonds a year.
 


Phrak said:
Yes, but the industry produces in the region of 3 billion carats, or 600 metric tons of synthetic diamonds a year.

Indeed, diamonds are much more common that most people think; the reason you don't see more often them is simply that most of the diamonds are quite small (e.g. the ones used on tools such as drills etc).
That said, there are "simple" methods that can be used to grow quite large diamonds but the ones I've seen have all been almost pink so they weren't exactly something you would make jewelry of; but they are still as hard as a "proper" diamond so they have their uses.

There are some companies that can grow large, transparant, diamonds that can be used in jewellry; the ones from e.g. Apollo Diamond are apparently very good.

There are also companies that are trying to make large diamond substrates for e.g the semiconductor industry. Large diamonds can actually also be used as a substrate for growing YBCO thin films (a high temperature superconductor) although there aren't many people doing that:-p
 
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Sammyg said:
If diamonds are made of carbon? and coal is made out carbon, why are diamonds transparent and coal is not transparent?
Maybe we can explain using semiconductor concept. Semiconductor has a band gap which is the difference between valence band and conduction band, and photons of larger energy than this band gap can be absorbed. In diamond the band gab is larger than visual light I think, but in silicon it is not. So silicon can be used as a infrared light pass filter blocking visual light. Coal is obviously mixture of many crystal like forms so the overall band gap is almost zero, meaning that all frequency light will be absorbed.
 

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