If gas volume remains constant, it can do work?

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The discussion centers on the concept of gas behavior in a system with a rigid membrane separating high and low-pressure areas. It explores whether work can be done when gas volume remains constant, emphasizing that while the total volume may be fixed, the individual gas volumes can change, allowing for work to be done. The conversation highlights that a non-equilibrium process, such as gas flowing through a hole in the membrane, does not adhere to the principles of an isochoric process, where volume and temperature remain constant. Participants argue about the implications of thermodynamic laws, particularly the first law, in relation to work and energy transfer in such systems. Ultimately, the complexity of gas behavior in fixed volumes and the definitions of isochoric processes are key points of contention.
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Chestermiller said:
Did you really think that, if the initial and final volumes of a system are the same, that is equivalent to a constant volume process in a rigid container?

Chet
The Stirling engine is a rigid container. Geometry (volume) of the container remains constant for the process, initial, during, and final, even though the piston is reciprocating. Gas density is moved from end to end.
Hence, Yes. But not on a closed system.
If gas volume remains constant, it can do work?
 
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Nuke said:
The Stirling engine is a rigid container. Geometry (volume) of the container remains constant for the process, initial, during, and final, even though the piston is reciprocating. Gas density is moved from end to end.
Hence, Yes. But not on a closed system.
If gas volume remains constant, it can do work?
Nuke,

I think you understood the context of the OP's original question, and that he was referring to a closed system in which the volume of the system remains constant throughout the process. I also think you understand that in a stirling engine, the movement of the piston causes the volume of the closed system and the volume of the gas to change with time over each cycle. So the only thing I can conclude is either that you were trying to mislead and confuse the OP, or you were trying to show everyone how smart you think you are by bringing up this example that does not even match the context of the original question. But, it is not very smart to get into a game of words with a Mentor. I am issuing you some Warning points and am closing this thread to further responses. In the future, please use better judgement.
 
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