If the integral is zero, when is the integrand also zero?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of an integral being zero in relation to the properties of the integrand, specifically in the context of Fourier transforms and orthonormal bases in functional analysis.

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  • Participants explore whether the condition of the integral being zero necessitates that the function f(k) must also be zero for all k, considering concepts of linear independence and completeness of the basis.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing differing perspectives on the relationship between the integral and the integrand. Some suggest that linear independence in an orthonormal basis implies f(k) must be zero, while others argue that the integral being zero does not necessarily lead to f(k) being zero everywhere, introducing the idea of "almost everywhere" conditions.

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Participants mention the need for f(k) to be "reasonably nice" and discuss the implications of completeness and redundancy in the basis being used, indicating potential complexities in the problem setup.

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If


\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(k) e^{i\mathbf{k}.\mathbf{r}} d\mathbf{k} =0


then is


\ f(k)=0 ?

Is it correct to say that this is an expansion in an orthonormal basis, \ e^{ik.r} , and so linear independence demands that f(k) be zero for all k?
 
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Yep, that works. You can show it explicitly by multiplying both sides by \exp(-i\mathbf{q} \cdot \mathbf{r}) and integrating over r. You should find f(q) = 0. (Assuming f(q) is reasonably 'nice'. I suppose there could be pathological examples where f(q) is non-zero).
 
I believe that the basis being complete without redundancy is also important. In other words: you can say f(k) = 0, if any function (in your function space) can be expanded in the basis, and in a unique way.

[Edit: probably you can show this to be the case for an orthonormal basis, because it is impossible to express any basis element as (infinite) sum of the others].
 
plasmoid said:
If


\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(k) e^{i\mathbf{k}.\mathbf{r}} d\mathbf{k} =0


then is


\ f(k)=0 ?

Is it correct to say that this is an expansion in an orthonormal basis, \ e^{ik.r} , and so linear independence demands that f(k) be zero for all k?

No. This is an integral transform, not an expansion of a function in some orthonormal basis. If f(k) was non-zero at only a finite number of points, you would still get 0 for the integral. You might be able to say f(k) = 0 "almost everywhere" or "except on a set of measure zero".
 

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