If V is a vector space why is T^2(V) = T(V) iff ker(T^2) = ker(T)?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the kernels of a linear transformation \( T \) and its square \( T^2 \), specifically under the conditions that \( T^2(V) = T(V) \) and \( \ker(T^2) = \ker(T) \). Participants explore the implications of these conditions in the context of vector spaces and linear mappings.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants examine the implications of \( T^2(V) = T(V) \) and discuss whether this leads to \( \ker(T) = \{0\} \). There is a counterexample provided that challenges this conclusion, suggesting that \( T(V) \) need not equal \( V \). Questions arise about the relationship between the kernels and the bijectiveness of \( T \) on its image. Some participants consider the implications of elements in \( \ker(T^2) \) and how they relate to \( \ker(T) \). The concept of idempotence and the identity map is also introduced as a potential avenue for exploration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning assumptions and providing counterexamples. There is no explicit consensus, but various lines of reasoning are being explored, including the relationship between the kernels and the nature of the transformation \( T \).

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Some participants note that the definitions and properties of linear transformations are critical to the discussion, and there is an emphasis on understanding the implications of the conditions given without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Homework Statement
Let ##V## be a finite-dimensional vector space. Prove that for a linear operator ##T##, that ##T^2(V)=T(V)## iff ##ker(T^2)=ker(T)##.
Relevant Equations
##ker(T)##: The set of ##v\in V## such that ##T(v)=0##
##T(V)##: The image of ##v\in V## through ##T##.
--##ker(T^2)=ker(T)## if ##T(V)=T^2(V)##--

Suppose that ##T^2(V)=T(V)##. So ##T:T(V)\mapsto T^2(V)=T(V)##. Hence, ##T## is one-to-one and so ##ker(T)=\{0\}##. Suppose that ##T^2(w)=0## for some ##w\in ker(T^2)##. Then ##T^2(w)=T(T(w))=0## which implies that ##T(w)\in ker(T)## and so ##T(w)=0##, so ##w=0##. Hence, ##ker(T^2)=ker(T)=\{0\}##.

--##T^2(V)=T(V)## if ##ker(T^2)=ker(T)##--

Suppose that ##ker(T^2)=ker(T)##. Let ##v\in ker(T^2),ker(T)## so that ##T^2(v)=0##. We have that ##T^2:ker(T)\mapsto \{0\}## and that ##T:T(ker(T))=\{0\}\mapsto \{0\}##. Hence, since ##ker(T)=ker(T^2)##, we have that ##ker(T)=\{0\}##. In turn, ##T## is surjective. And so ##T(V)=V##, and furthermore, ##T^2(V)=T(V)=V##.

All in all, I'm not really too sure about the last step.
 
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Your conclusion that ##\operatorname{ker}(T) = \{0\}## is wrong, ##T(V)## is not necessarily ##V##. All that ##T^2(V) = T(V)## tells you is that they are the same subspace of ##V##. All you can say is that ##T## is bijective from ##T(V)## to ##T(V)##.

As a counter example, consider the zero mapping ##T(x) = 0## for all ##x \in V##. This map is clearly linear and its kernel is all of ##V##. You also have ##T(T(x)) = T(0) = T(x)## for all ##x## so ##T^2 = T## and they therefore obviously have the same kernel.
 
Orodruin said:
All you can say is that ##T## is bijective from ##T(V)## to ##T(V)##.

Does that mean that ##\ker(T|_{T(V)})=\{0\}##? If so, then I don't know how that will relate to ##T## or its kernel on the whole domain of ##V##.
 
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By definition, if v \in \ker T^2 then T^2(v) = 0. Now that could be because T(v) = 0 so that v \in \ker T, but could also be because T(v) is some other member of \ker T so that v \notin \ker T.
 
Okay, let me think, here...

Let ##v\in \ker(T)##. Then ##T(v)=0##. Also, ##T^2(v)=T(T(v))=T(0)=0##, which means that ##v\in \ker(T^2)##. Hence ##\ker(T)\subset \ker(T^2)##.

Let ##v \in \ker(T^2)##. Then ##T^2(v)=T(T(v))=0##, which can mean either that:

(1) ##T(v)=0## so that ##v\in \ker(T)##, and ##\ker(T^2)\subset \ker(T)##, which means that we are done in this case.
(2) ##T(v)\in \ker(T)##.

In the latter case, it is implied that ##T(V)=T^2(V)\subset \ker(T)##. So ##T(T^2(u))=0## for some ##u\in V##. So my question then becomes that of figuring out if there is a ##u\in V## such that ##T^2(u)=v##.
 
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you should be able to streamline this by observing that T + its complement creates the identity map. This is a general point about idempotence. (equivalently the identity minus T is the complement...)
 
StoneTemplePython said:
T + its complement creates the identity map

Okay, let me take a quick stab at this...

Let ##T^c## be the complement of ##T## such that ##T+T^c=I_V##. Let ##v\in \ker(I_V-T^c)##. With this equality, we have that: ##T=I_V-T^c##. And so if we apply this to ##v##, ##T(v)=(I_V-T^c)(v)=0##, so ##v\in \ker(T)##. On the other hand, ##T^2(V)=T(V)##, so ##T^2=I_V-T^c##, and ##T^2(v)=(I_V-T^c)(v)=0##. Hence, ##v\in \ker(T^2)##. Equality follows, I think?
 
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