If you take the number 7 out of the real number line, then

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The discussion revolves around the implications of removing the number 7 from the real number line. Participants explore the nature of 7 in this context, questioning whether it can be likened to an infinitesimal or if it represents something else entirely. The conversation touches on set notation, the properties of points and intervals, and the relationship between numbers and their representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether 7 can be considered similar to an infinitesimal, pondering its size relative to other numbers.
  • There is a suggestion that removing 7 results in the real numbers with a point removed, which has zero length.
  • One participant asserts that the notation "[7, 7]" is equivalent to the set notation "{7}" and emphasizes the need for clarity regarding the term "infinitesimal."
  • Another participant introduces the concept of limits, suggesting that something like 5/n approaches 0 as n approaches infinity, but distinguishes this from the fixed value of 7.
  • There is a discussion about the properties of the interval [7, 7] and the number 7, with some participants questioning whether they share similar properties.
  • One participant draws a comparison between the set of real numbers and the set containing the real numbers, arguing that they do not share similar properties.
  • Clarifications are requested regarding the properties that might be shared between [7, 7] and 7.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of 7 and its relationship to infinitesimals, with no consensus reached on these points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the properties of numbers and their set representations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of defining terms like "infinitesimal" and the need for clarity in mathematical notation. There are unresolved questions about the relationships between numbers and their representations in set theory.

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what can be said about 7? Is it like an infinitesimal? Is it smaller or bigger? What is it? Is it just [7,7]?
 
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Your question is too vague. Explain what you really have in mind.
 
student34 said:
what can be said about 7? Is it like an infinitesimal? Is it smaller or bigger? What is it? Is it just [7,7]?
If you remove 7 from the number line, then you get the real numbers with a point removed. A point has zero length.
 
Of the choices given, "[7, 7]", which is exactly the same as the set notation "{7}" is best. It is a single point. You would have to define exactly what you mean by "infinitesimal" in this context before anyone could answer your other questions.
 
mathman said:
Your question is too vague. Explain what you really have in mind.

If I take out the number 7, then it seems as though I have something very small but perhaps larger than an infinitesimal like 5/n→∞. Because, we know that 5/n→∞ = 0, but 7 = 7, not 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Of the choices given, "[7, 7]", which is exactly the same as the set notation "{7}" is best. It is a single point. You would have to define exactly what you mean by "infinitesimal" in this context before anyone could answer your other questions.

The "infinitesimal" that I was thinking of is something like 3/n→∞.
 
student34 said:
3/n→∞.

What you've written doesn't make any sense. Did you mean something like
[tex]\lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{3}{n} = 0[/tex]?

It's not clear to me why you think this is related to the number 7. The length of the interval [7,7] is completely unrelated to the number 7 itself
 
Office_Shredder said:
What you've written doesn't make any sense. Did you mean something like
[tex]\lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{3}{n} = 0[/tex]?

Yes, I just don't know how to use the proper notation on this forum.

It's not clear to me why you think this is related to the number 7. The length of the interval [7,7] is completely unrelated to the number 7 itself

Doesn't [7,7] and 7 have similar properties?
 
student34 said:
Doesn't [7,7] and 7 have similar properties?

Does [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex] and [tex]\{ \mathbb{R} \}[/tex] have similar properties? The first being the set of real numbers, and the second being a set which contains a single element, namely the set of real numbers. The answer is no, not in general. Another good example is ∅, the empty set, and {∅}, the set containing only the empty set (in particular it is not empty!)

Any claims that [7,7] (which is the set containing only the number 7, i.e. {7} as has been mentioned above) and 7 the number share similar properties should be clarified in detail: what properties might these share?
 

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