I'm currently stuck on a transformer question and require a little clarification

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The discussion revolves around a transformer efficiency problem involving calculations from open circuit and short circuit tests. Participants are attempting to clarify their calculations and understand the discrepancies in their efficiency results, focusing on the theoretical and practical aspects of transformer operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transformer efficiency calculation yielding approximately 61%, expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant suggests that typical transformer efficiencies are around 90% or higher, questioning the validity of the first participant's result.
  • A participant shares their calculated impedances from the open circuit and short circuit tests, seeking clarification on their methodology and results.
  • One participant proposes an alternative efficiency calculation that results in about 93%, but expresses confusion about the process and its implications.
  • There is a discussion about referring the short circuit current back to the primary side for impedance calculations, with one participant confirming they have done so.
  • Participants discuss the equations used for calculating copper and core losses, with one seeking clarification on the relationship between their results and the equivalent circuit parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the efficiency calculation, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the correct approach and results remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the calculations and methodologies used, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the transformer tests and efficiency equations. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding power factor and loss calculations.

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Homework Statement



A 50 kVA 6360 V/240 V, 50 Hz, transformer is tested on open circuit and short circuit to obtain its efficiency. The results of the tests are as follows:
Open Circuit: Primary Voltage 6360 V, Primary current 1.0 A, Input power 2 kW.
Short Circuit: Voltage across primary 280 V, Current in secondary 175 A, Input power 1kW

power factor at 0.8 lagging

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I've calculate the impedances using the open circuit and short circuit equations, and I'm having trouble getting the power equations.
I've used P(open circuit) = P(input)*I(open circuit)*cos(theta)
where cos(theta) = PF
I've used P(short circuit) = P(input)*I(short circuit)*cos(theta)

And then P(output)/(P(output) + P(open circuit)+P(short circuit)), and I'm getting an efficiency of ~61%. I'm pretty sure this is wrong.
 
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I think it's wrong because transformers should usually have an efficiency of ~90% and above. To be getting such an inefficient transformer with those values just doesn't seem right. Can anybody please confirm?
 
I get η>90%. What did you calculate the impedances to be?
 
From the open circuit test, I got Rc = 7950 ohm, and Xm = 10600 ohm

From the short circuit test, I got z = 1.6 angle 36.86 degrees using the formula z(s/c) = (short circuit voltage/short circuit current) angle theta

I found the angle (theta) from PF = cos theta

I'm not sure what I've done wrong from there, is it possible that you could show me your working out? I followed the notes on open circuit/short circuit test that my lecturer gave me, and I re-watched the video of him lecturing this particular topic, but I found that it hasn't helped much at all, and it's only gotten me more confused.
 
I know that if I do

(50 * 0.8)/(50 * 0.8 +(2+1)) I get an efficiency of about 93%,

where the 50 is the 50 KVA input voltage, the 0.8 is the power factor, the 2 comes from the 2KW input on the open circuit test, and the 1 comes from the 1KW input on the short circuit test. I think I'm just confusing myself more by doing that though. I saw my lecturer do it this way, and I don't really understand why or what exactly it achieves. Electricity just doesn't like me :P
 
that.kid said:
From the short circuit test, I got z = 1.6 angle 36.86 degrees using the formula z(s/c) = (short circuit voltage/short circuit current) angle theta
Have you referred the S/C current back to the primary side for this calculation?
 
Yes, I have referred it back to the primary and drawn an equivalent circuit. Referring it to the primary I got R(E)=1123.6 and X(Z)=674.16. What equation did you use to calculate the copper/core losses? I've tried P=I^R and P(open circuit)=P(input)*I(open circuit)*power factor and P(short circuit)=V(short circuit)*I(short circuit)*power factor using the values given/calculated for each.
 
From From the short circuit test, I got z = 1.6 angle 36.86 degrees using the formula z(s/c) = (short circuit voltage/short circuit current) angle thetathe short circuit test, I got z = 1.6 angle 36.86 degrees using the formula z(s/c) = (short circuit voltage/short circuit current) angle theta
How do I relate that↑[/color] to this↓[/color] ?
Yes, I have referred it back to the primary and drawn an equivalent circuit. Referring it to the primary I got R(E)=1123.6 and X(Z)=674.16.
 

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