What is current across 5 ohm resistor

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The discussion revolves around determining the current across a 5 ohm resistor in a circuit with two voltage sources. Participants explore the implications of using the superposition theorem and the rules regarding voltage sources in parallel, addressing both theoretical and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant applies the superposition theorem, concluding that the current through the 5 ohm resistor is zero when considering each voltage source individually.
  • Another participant argues that the internal resistance of batteries must be considered, suggesting that in real-life scenarios, the presence of two voltage sources would affect the current delivered to the resistor.
  • Some participants assert that two identical ideal voltage sources in parallel can be treated as a single voltage source of the same magnitude, allowing for analysis with just one source.
  • A participant questions whether the circuit was intended to show one voltage source with opposite polarity, indicating that this could change the analysis.
  • There is mention of multiple problems in the book, each involving different configurations of voltage sources, which adds complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of voltage sources in parallel, particularly regarding their internal resistance and the implications for current flow. No consensus is reached on the correct approach to analyzing the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the analysis may depend on the assumptions made about the ideality of the voltage sources and their internal resistances, which are not explicitly defined in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Find the current across 5 ohm resistor
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Homework Equations


Superposition theorem. Other voltage sources become short circuit and current sources become open circuit.
Ohm's law. I = V / R

The Attempt at a Solution



Using superposition theorem, we get:
When only left side 10 V source is there, is short circuit across right side 10 V source, so current through 5 ohm resistor is zero.
It's the same when only right side 10 V source is acting.
So total current across 5 ohm resistor is zero.

Book says: we cannot have voltage sources of different magnitude in parallel and that current cannot be determined.
For voltage sources of same magnitude in parallel, take only one voltage source and apply ohm's law.

I'm confused. Why should we ignore other voltage source?

Isn't parallel operation of transformer same as above case? Like the load sees two voltage sources in parallel?

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The top circuit is imaginary because the two voltage sources are not shown with an internal resistance ... all batteries have internal resistance which will limit the amount of current they can deliver ,In the circuit one battery is irrelevant ...it would not be in real life because of internal resistance 2 sources would deliver more current to the 5 ohm resister

It's similar in the parallel transformer if only A was used , at high currents the coils could overheat and burn out , having A and B allows double the current to the load , before the transformer gets too hot for comfort.
 
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jaus tail said:
Book says: we cannot have voltage sources of different magnitude in parallel
That's true. BUT in the DC circuit you have drawn the sources are not different. Two identical ideal sources in parallel are no different to one ideal voltage source of identical voltage. So you can analyse the circuit with just one 10V source.

⏩ BTW, I'm left wondering did you intend to show one source with polarity opposite to that of the other? Otherwise, in the circuit as drawn I don't see a problem.

If you connect a +10.000V source between points in a circuit which are already at a potential difference of +10.000V then nothing happens, nothing changes. No current will flow to or from that source.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
That's true. BUT in the DC circuit you have drawn the sources are not different. Two identical ideal sources in parallel are no different to one ideal voltage source of identical voltage. So you can analyse the circuit with just one 10V source.

⏩ BTW, I'm left wondering did you intend to show one source with polarity opposite to that of the other? Otherwise, in the circuit as drawn I don't see a problem.

If you connect a +10.000V source between points in a circuit which are already at a potential difference of +10.000V then nothing happens, nothing changes. No current will flow to or from that source.

Thanks. There are actually three problems in book. One with two voltage sources of same polarity and different magnitude in parallel, second problem has 2 voltage sources of same polarity and magnitude in parallel, and third problem has two sources of same magnitude but opposite polarity in parallel.
 

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