Impact of trolley - hand calculation method

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methodology for calculating the impact load case of a trolley colliding with a rigid structure. Participants explore the mechanics of the trolley's impact, including energy conservation, deflection, force calculation, and the trolley's rotational dynamics post-impact.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method involving the determination of the trolley's stiffness, deflection, and impact force using conservation of energy principles.
  • Concerns are raised about the trolley's rotation after impact and how to calculate the extent of this rotation, particularly regarding the height the center of gravity (CoG) will rise to.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the specific calculations being pursued, including the units involved.
  • A participant emphasizes that their focus is on methodology rather than specific units and expresses a desire to discuss potential improvements to their approach.
  • There is a mention of confusion regarding the relationship between linear and rotational kinetic energy and how to equate them with potential energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the methodology, with differing views on the clarity of the problem and the approach to calculating the trolley's impact dynamics.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the trolley's behavior post-impact, particularly in relation to the calculations of rotational dynamics and energy transformations.

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Hello,

Been a while since I posted on here, nice to be back :) .

I just want some pointers as to the methodology for an impact load case that I'm looking at. I've attached a very basic sketch of a trolley which is traveling at a known velocity and impacts a rigid structure at it's base.

What I'm going to do is to determine the stiffness of the trolley at it's impact location, then calculate the deflection and resulting force by utilising conservation of energy between the KE of the trolley and the spring energy of the system. So I can do all that and obtain the impact force and look at my stresses. But once the trolley impacts, it will decelerate rapidly and tend to rotate about the pivot shown on the bottom view of the attached diagram. The restoring moment due to weight of the trolley relative to the CoG will not be enough to prevent it from rotating clockwise toward the rigid structure.

I'm confused on how to work out how far the trolley will rotate and whether it will impact the rigid structure at the top - denoted by "point A" on the attached bottom image.

I was going to use the inertia of the trolley to determine this, but I'm very confused, because I have both linear kinetic energy and rotational kinetic energy. If I can work out the height that the CoG will rise to on impact then I can calculate the angle of rotation, but is this too simplistic? I'd have to equate the
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rotational KE to the PE, but PE=mgh is linear :/ ?

I'm really confused! Any pointers for my approach would be so appreciated.

Many thanks
 
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I wasn't able to glean what you're trying to calculate. Could you give me the units (e.g. Newtons, meters, kg, etc...) of what you're trying to calculate.

Hints
1) draw the force vectors in figure 2. And then draw the vector you want to calculate.

2) don't use the word utilize or any of its weird spelling. You know what they say about people you "utilize"? They make a tool out of you and ize.
 
Hey, thanks for your reply.

I don't need units, it's a the method I'm discussing! I a freelance chartered engineer and stress analyst - a d u use the word utilise often; it's a word lol.

I have solved the problem now, but wanted to discuss my approach! Maybe there is a better way of doing it!
 
Apologies for typos - can't type on my iPhone :/
 

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