Implications of the tangent of a function being at a maximum

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the tangent of a function and the function itself, specifically regarding the maximum of the function del, defined as del = arctan(w*(tsig-teps)/(1+(w^2*(tsig*teps)))) at w = (tansig*taneps)^(-1/2). The analysis using MATLAB reveals that the derivative of tan(del) is zero at this point, indicating a maximum for tan(del). However, it is established that the maximum of tan(del) does not necessarily imply that del itself is at a maximum, as demonstrated through examples involving the second derivative test.

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Does the tangent of a function being at a maximum necessarily mean that the function itself is at a maximum?

I am supposed to find whether del is at a maximum at w = (tansig*taneps)^(-1/2)

del = arctan(w*(tsig-teps)/(1+(w^2*(tsig*teps))))

tansig and taneps are constants and w is the independent variable

Using MATLAB, I've found that the derivative of tan(del) at the given w is in fact 0, and using a given graph of tan(del), I can see that the only point where the slope of the tangent is 0, is at a maximum peak. And so, I know that tan(del) at the given w is maximum.

Knowing this, can I claim that del itself is maximum at the specified w?

Thanks you all!
 
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babayevdavid said:
Does the tangent of a function being at a maximum necessarily mean that the function itself is at a maximum?
Not clear what you mean by that - the maximum possible slope for a tangent is infinity (a vertical line).

If f(x) has a maximum at x=a then the slope of the tangent at a is f'(a)=0
But that is also true if f(x) has a minimum or a point of inflexion at x=a.

Guessing that you are asking if the maxima of f(x) is also a maxima of f'(x)...
consider:

f(x)=4-x^2 has a maximum at x=0

the slope of the tangent of f at x is: f'(x) = -2x

f'(x) has a (possible) maxima when f''(x)=0 but f''(x)=-2 - so it cannot be zero!

So you see that the location of the maxima of f(x) cannot be a maxima of f'(x).

The second derivative does give you a clue though.
 
babayevdavid said:
Does the tangent of a function being at a maximum necessarily mean that the function itself is at a maximum?

I am supposed to find whether del is at a maximum at w = (tansig*taneps)^(-1/2)

del = arctan(w*(tsig-teps)/(1+(w^2*(tsig*teps))))

tansig and taneps are constants and w is the independent variable

Using MATLAB, I've found that the derivative of tan(del) at the given w is in fact 0, and using a given graph of tan(del), I can see that the only point where the slope of the tangent is 0, is at a maximum peak. And so, I know that tan(del) at the given w is maximum.

Knowing this, can I claim that del itself is maximum at the specified w?

Thanks you all!

I'll use the symbols ##b## and ##a## instead of tsig and teps, resp., so your function is
f(w) = \arctan\left(\frac{(b-a)w}{1+ab\,w^2}\right)

If ##a## and ##b## are both > 0 then the point ##w_0 = 1/\sqrt{ab}## is, indeed, a stationary point. Whether is is a maximum or a minimum must be checked by a second-order test: ##w_0## is a maximum if ##f''(w_0) < 0## and is a minimum if ##f''(w_0) > 0##, where ##f''(w)## is the second derivative of ##f(w)##.

If ##a## and ##b## have opposite signs the function ##f(w)## has no stationary points, so has no points where the tangent line is horizontal. Nevertheless, it has finite maxima and minima!
 

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