Implications of Work-Energy Theorem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the work-energy theorem, particularly in the context of lifting an object and the relationship between work, kinetic energy (KE), and potential energy (PE). Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects of work and energy transformations in mechanical systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that lifting a book does not involve net work done according to the work-energy theorem, as the kinetic energy remains unchanged.
  • Another participant challenges this interpretation, suggesting that the work-energy theorem does not apply to the example given.
  • A different participant introduces the relationship between work done and changes in potential energy, asserting that work is done against gravity when lifting an object.
  • Some participants propose that the work-energy theorem should be viewed as encompassing total mechanical energy changes, including both kinetic and potential energy.
  • Questions are raised regarding the robustness of the definition of work as Wnet = ΔEsystem and under what conditions Wnet = ΔKE may not hold.
  • Concerns are expressed about the applicability of the formulas presented in the context of conservative and nonconservative forces, with examples provided to illustrate these distinctions.
  • One participant notes that if energy remains after accounting for changes in kinetic and potential energy, it may indicate missing energy transformations.
  • Friction is mentioned as a potential nonconservative force affecting the energy balance in the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application and interpretation of the work-energy theorem, with no consensus reached on the implications of lifting an object and the definitions of work and energy transformations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of work and energy, the context of conservative versus nonconservative forces, and the potential for missing energy transformations in the discussion.

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Wnet = ΔKE

By this equation, if I lift a 1 kilogram book at rest from the ground and place it to be at rest on a table 10 meters above the ground, no net work has been done on the book. (Its kinetic energy before and after is zero.)

However, its potential energy has changed by mgh or 1kg * 9.8m/s2 * 10m = 98J. Therefore its total mechanical energy (KE + PE) has increased but no net work has been done.

By this reasoning the work-energy theorem implies that no net work needs to be done to increase or decrease the mechanical energy of an object.

This is counter-intuitive to me. Is not 98J of work required to increase the total mechanical energy of a system by 98J? Is there a law that relates work to the change in mechanical energy of a system?
 
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The equation that you opened with does not apply to the example you cited for the very reasons you see a problem with it.
 
-W = ΔU
The negative of the work done on a system is also equal to the negative change in potential energy of the system. When an object is lifted to a new height, it gains potential energy because Earth does work against it through gravity to oppose its vertical displacement. (We say it gains potential energy because it is lifted from a lower potential to a higher potential.) And this change in potential energy from the work done on the object is what causes the increase in mechanical energy. Furthermore, the process described is where this equation comes from:

ΔUg = -Wg = -FgΔy = -mgΔy
 
When an object is lifted to a new height, it gains potential energy because Earth does work against it through gravity to oppose its vertical displacement.
... from the definition of gravitational potential energy, an object gains PE because work has to be done on it to get it there.

But what everyone is saying is that the initial form of the work-energy theorem commonly taught is not the whole story.
Well done for noticing. It would be better to note that work is the total change in mechanical energy. ##W=\Delta U + \Delta K##
As you advance you will come across other ways of looking at work, and you'll end up just using conservation of energy directly.
 
Is the most robust definition of work:

Wnet = ΔEsystem

?

Also, under what conditions does Wnet = ΔKE not apply?

Later in the chapter the text makes a distinction between "conservative" and "nonconservative" forces and defines:

Wnet = Wc + Wnc = -ΔU + Wnc

Therefore by substituting Wnet for ΔKE we can say:

Wnc - ΔPE = ΔKE

Is the above formula always applicable?

If it is, because Wnc = ΔKE + ΔPE = 0J + 98J, there must be 98J of nonconservative forces acting on the book. What would those nonconservative forces be?
 
Is the most robust definition of work:
Wnet = ΔEsystem
Pretty much - though different situations will use a slightly different definitions. The most common variation is the sign convention. YOu need to look out for that or just make your own and state it clearly at the start of your work.

Also, under what conditions does Wnet = ΔKE not apply?
Well, clearly when not all the work goes into changing kinetic energy.
You gave an example in post #1. A mass m climbs a hill at constant speed ... the kinetic energy does not change, but work is done.

Is the above formula always applicable?
No ... because ##W_{net}=\Delta KE## does not always apply, and the formula you quoted from the book does not always apply. You need to be careful of the context and try not to mix up different situations too much at this stage. Try to understand where the formula comes from: it's not a definition - it's a description of a particular class of situation.

Wnc = ΔKE + ΔPE = 0J + 98J, there must be 98J of nonconservative forces acting on the book.
Usually if you have some energy left over after accounting for changes in kinetic and potential energy, it means you have failed to include some energy transformations.
You need to take a close look at what you included in the kinetic and potential parts.

What would those nonconservative forces be?
... friction.

The thing to remember is that the total energy is always conserved.
With work you are usually interested in the energy that gets used for a particular task (or is needed to perform a particular task), so you are not considering the whole system. As long as you focus on the energy transformations you should be fine.
 

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