Implicit differentiation - messed up somewhere

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The discussion focuses on finding the second derivative, d²y/dx², at the point (1,1) using implicit differentiation for the equation x²y + x² - y² = 1. The user initially calculated dy/dx and obtained a value of 4, but encountered an error while applying the quotient rule for the second derivative. The correct approach involves using the product rule and chain rule correctly in the differentiation process, specifically for terms like x²(dy/dx) and (2y dy/dx). The final answer must be recalculated with the correct application of these rules.

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Homework Statement


find d^2y/dx^2 at (1,1) for:
x^2y + x^2 -y^2 = 1




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The Attempt at a Solution


i worked it all out but the answer I am getting is not an option. could someone show me where i made a mistake? I am not asking you to do the problem for me, just fix my error. this is what i did:
first i found dy/dx:

x^2(dy/dx) + y(2x) +2x -2y(dy/dx)=0
(x^2 - 2y)(dy/dx) = -2xy - 2x
dy/dx = (-2xy-2x)/(x^2-2y)
when i put (1,1) in, i got 4

then to find the second derivative i used the quotient rule:
d^2y/dy^2 = [(x^2-2y) (-2x)(dy/dx) +y(-2) -2] - ((-2xy-2x)(2x-2)(dy/dx)]/(x^2-2y)^2

then i just put the values in. for the x's and y's i put in 1, and for dy/dx i put in 4. i ended up with:
[(-1 x -2 x 4 + -2 -2) - (-2 -2) x (2-2(4) ] / 1 = 28 ? but this answer is incorrect. what did i do wrong?


Thanks so much!
 
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It's not necessary to solve for dy/dx- just use implicit differentiation again.

You are correct that x^2(dy/dx) + y(2x) +2x -2y(dy/dx)= 0.

Now, (x^2(dy/dx)'= x^2 d^2y/dx^2+ 2x dy/dx, (2xy)'= 2xy'+ 2y, and (2y dy/dx)'= 2y d^2y/dx^2+ 2 (dy/dx)^2. Put those together.
 

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