Implicit differentiation problem.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the derivative y´(x) for the equation x + y = 1/x^2 + 8/y^2, which requires implicit differentiation. The context is calculus, specifically focusing on differentiation techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the equation and differentiating both sides. There are attempts to rearrange terms to isolate y´(x), with some participants expressing confusion about eliminating the y´(x) term and identifying potential algebraic mistakes.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on factoring out y´(x) and cautioning against dividing by terms that may not be valid. There is a focus on clarifying algebraic manipulations and ensuring proper handling of the derivative terms.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express frustration with basic algebraic steps, indicating a potential lack of confidence in their calculus skills. There is an emphasis on careful handling of terms during the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement


Find y´(x) for x + y = 1/x^2 + 8/y^2


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The Attempt at a Solution


Rewrite the eq. as
x + y = x^-2 + 8y^-2
differentiate.
1 + y´(x) = (-2x^-3) + (-16y^-3)(y´(x))
Rearrange
1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(16y^-3) = (-2y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/((-2)16y^-3) = y´(x)

Now I know that the answer should look like this:
(1+2x^−3 )/(−1−16y^−3).

What am i doing wrong?
 
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Dissonance in E said:
Rearrange
1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(16y^-3) = (-2y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/((-2)16y^-3) = y´(x)
Something looks really strange for the 2nd line. Careless mistake?
 
How do i not eliminate the y´(x) term? I am probably doing some really basic mistake that should be enough motivation to make me drop calculus.

1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(-16y^-3) = (y´(x)) - (y´(x))
(1 + (2x^-3))/(-16y^-3) = 0
 
You want to make y'(x) the subject, hence you factor it out.
1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x)) = y'(x) (-16y^-3 - 1)
This appears to be an algebra issue that you are facing, so you might want to work on it.
 
From: 1 + (2x^-3) = (-16y^-3)(y´(x)) - (y´(x))
You cannot divide by (-16y^-3) on both sides, in order to get your next expression, because the last part of your equation -> " - y´(x) " doesn't have that factor in it.

Instead, "pull out" y´(x) from the second half of the equation giving:

1 + (2x^-3) = y´(x)*[-16y^-3 - 1] (I put in brackets to make it a bit easier.

From here it should be pretty easy, just divide by " -16y^-3 - 1"
 

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