Implicit exponential differentiation?

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The problem involves finding the equation of the tangent line to the curve defined by the equation xe^y + ye^x = 1 at the point (0,1). The subject area pertains to implicit differentiation and the application of calculus concepts such as the product rule and chain rule.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need for the product rule and chain rule in the differentiation process. There are questions about the application of these rules and whether they are necessary for both parts of the differentiation. Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in the differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process, emphasizing the importance of using both the product and chain rules. There is acknowledgment of the need to apply these rules correctly, and some participants have shared their attempts at deriving the expression for the derivative.

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There is mention of the original poster's unfamiliarity with the Implicit Function Theorem and a reference to a previous post that did not clarify the steps involved. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the differentiation process without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Find an equation of the tangent line to the curve xe^y+ye^x=1 at point (0,1).

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I do not recall seeing the Implicit Function Theroem before, I even went back in my book (Stewart Calculus 6th) to check. I found this post but it does not help me understand the steps involved: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=79275

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]xe^{y}+ye^{x}=1[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(xe^{y})+\frac{d}{dx}(ye^{x})=\frac{d}{dx}(1)[/tex]
I am not sure if this requires the product rule but,
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(xe^{y})=e^{y}+xe^{y}[/tex]
Then, I'm not sure on the other part?
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(ye^{x})=y'e^{x}+ye^{x}[/tex]
 
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Don't forget the chain rule.
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(e^{y})=e^{y} y'[/tex].
 
Yes, the point is that if fx(x,y) and/or fy(x,y) are not 0 in a 'hood of (0,1), where y=f(x), or x=f(y) , depending on whether fx or fy is non-zero. The standard example ( I know of) , is that of the sphere.
 
why can't i use product rule?
 
timacho said:
why can't i use product rule?

Both parts require the product rule. So, of course you need it. You will need the chain rule too.
 
Yes, I now realize I need to use both rules.
 
So,
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(ye^{x})=ye^{x}+y'e^{x}[/tex]
giving me,
[tex]xe^{y}y'+e^y+ye^{x}+e^{x}y'=0[/tex]
[tex]y'(xe^{y}+e^{x})=-e^{y}-ye^{x}[/tex]
[tex]y'=\frac{-e^{y}-ye^{x}}{xe^{y}+e^{x}}[/tex]
at point (0,1).
slope=(-e-1)
 
jrjack said:
So,
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(ye^{x})=ye^{x}+y'e^{x}[/tex]
giving me,
[tex]xe^{y}y'+e^y+ye^{x}+e^{x}y'=0[/tex]
[tex]y'(xe^{y}+e^{x})=-e^{y}-ye^{x}[/tex]
[tex]y'=\frac{-e^{y}-ye^{x}}{xe^{y}+e^{x}}[/tex]
at point (0,1).
slope=(-e-1)

Seems ok to me.
 
Thank you for your help.
 

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