What Are the Solutions for These Two Differential Equations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving two differential equations: one involving the implicit function defined by the curve \(xe^y + ye^x = 1\) and the other concerning the function \(y = e^{\lambda x}\) in relation to the equation \(y + y' = y''\). Participants explore methods for finding tangent lines and values of \(\lambda\) that satisfy the equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to solve the first problem regarding the tangent line to the curve.
  • Another participant suggests using implicit differentiation to find the derivative \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) and provides a method for solving the first problem.
  • A later reply presents the application of the Implicit Function Theorem, yielding a formula for \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) and a proposed solution for \(\lambda\).
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the derivative calculation at the point (0,1) and provides a specific slope value.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the slope formula and provides the equation of the tangent line based on the computed slope.
  • Participants discuss the values of \(\lambda\) derived from the second problem, with one providing a quadratic equation to solve for \(\lambda\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some disagreement regarding the correctness of the derivative calculation and the slope at the point (0,1). While some participants confirm the calculations, others challenge them, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on this aspect.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on implicit differentiation and the Implicit Function Theorem, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of these methods and the correctness of the derived values.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or individuals interested in differential equations, implicit differentiation, and the application of the Implicit Function Theorem may find this discussion relevant.

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Find an equation of the tangent line to the curve:
[tex]xe^y + ye^x = 1[/tex]
at the point:
[tex]P(0,1)[/tex]

Find the values for [tex]\lambda[/tex] for which:
[tex]y = e^{\lambda x}[/tex]

satisfies the equation:
[tex]y + y' = y''[/tex]


I have been assigned these two problems, which are not covered for another 3 chapters.

I am uncertain how to solve problem 1.

This is my first attempt at problem 2, uncertain if this is correct.
[tex]e^{\lambda x} + e^{\lambda x} \lambda = e^{\lambda x} \lambda^2[/tex]
 
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Orion1 said:
Find an equation of the tangent line to the curve:
[tex]xe^y + ye^x = 1[/tex]
at the point:
[tex]P(0,1)[/tex]

Differentiate implicitly throughout the expression. You can do that right? You know, when you do so for:

[tex]xe^y[/itex]<br /> <br /> you get<br /> [tex]xe^y(dy)+e^y(dx)[/tex]<br /> <br /> Right? Now do the rest, then solve for the quotient dy/dx.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Find the values for [tex]\lambda[/tex] for which:<br /> [tex]y = e^{\lambda x}[/tex]<br /> <br /> satisfies the equation:<br /> [tex]y + y' = y''[/tex]<br /> <br /> This is my first attempt at problem 2, uncertain if this is correct.<br /> [tex]e^{\lambda x} + e^{\lambda x} \lambda = e^{\lambda x} \lambda^2[/tex] </div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Looks good. You can figure out what lambda is right?[/tex]
 
The theorem of implicit functions solves the first problem.

Daniel.
 
Implicit Function Theorem...



The correct application of the Implicit Function Theorem:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = - \frac{F_x}{F_y} = - \frac{e^y + ye^x}{xe^y + e^x}[/tex]

Solution 1:
[tex]\boxed{\frac{dy}{dx} = - \frac{e^y + ye^x}{xe^y + e^x}}[/tex]

Solution 2:
[tex]y = e^{\lambda x} \; \; y + y' = y''[/tex]
[tex]e^{\lambda x} + e^{\lambda x} \lambda = e^{\lambda x} \lambda^2[/tex]
[tex]e^{\lambda x} (1 + \lambda) = e^{\lambda x} \lambda^2[/tex]
[tex](1 + \lambda) = \lambda^2[/tex]
[tex]\lambda^2 - \lambda = 1[/tex]
[tex]\lambda^2 - \lambda - 1 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\lambda = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{(-1)^2 - 4(1)(-1)}}{2(1)} = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{\lambda = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{5}}{2}}[/tex]
 
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Nope

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=-\frac{e^{y}+ye^{x}}{xe^{y}+e^{x}}[/tex]

computed at the point (0,1) gives the slope [itex]-e-1[/itex].

Daniel.
 

Slope formula:
[tex](y - 1) = (-e - 1)(x - 0)[/tex]

Solution 1:
[tex]\boxed{y(x) = -x(e + 1) + 1}[/tex]
 
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