Implicit Solution To Differential Equation

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The discussion focuses on verifying an implicit solution to the differential equation dX/dt = (X - 1)(1 - 2X) and finding explicit solutions. Participants analyze the differentiation process and identify errors in the implicit differentiation steps, particularly in distributing factors correctly. A suggested approach involves using a single logarithm and applying the quotient rule for differentiation. The conversation highlights confusion over notation and the importance of careful algebraic manipulation. Ultimately, the correct implicit solution is confirmed, emphasizing the need for precision in handling terms.
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Homework Statement


Verify that the indicated expression is an implicit solution of the given first order differential equation. Find at least one explicit solution in each case. Give an interval I of definition of each solution.

The differential equation is: \displaystyle \frac{dX}{dt} = (X -1)(1-2X)

and the solution is \displaystyle \ln \left( \frac{2X-1}{X-1} \right) = t

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Implicitly differentiating gives

\displaystyle \ln(2X -1) - \ln(X-1) = t

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}}{2X-1} - \frac{\dot{X}}{X-1} = 1

\displaystyle \frac{2 \dot{X}(X-1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)} - \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1)}{(X-1)(2X-1)} = 1

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1-2X +1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)}

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X} \cdot 0}{(2X-1)(X-1)} = 1

What happened? What did I do wrong? According to this link http://rmower.com/s_diff_eq/Examples/0101p2.pdf I am incorrect.
 
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Bashyboy said:
\displaystyle \frac{2 \dot{X}(X-1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)} - \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1)}{(X-1)(2X-1)} = 1

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1-2X +1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)}
You error is in this step. You didn't distribute the factor of 2 correctly.


Bashyboy said:
What happened? What did I do wrong? According to this link http://rmower.com/s_diff_eq/Examples/0101p2.pdf I am incorrect.
In that link, I don't understand how they can go from
$$
\frac{2 dX}{2X-1} - \frac{dX}{X-1} = dt
$$
to
$$
2dX - dX = (2X-1)(X-1) dt
$$
 
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Bashyboy said:
Implicitly differentiating gives

\displaystyle \ln(2X -1) - \ln(X-1) = t

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}}{2X-1} - \frac{\dot{X}}{X-1} = 1

Try leaving $$ ln(\frac{1-2X}{X-1}) $$ as a a single logarithm and implicitly differentiating by the quotient rule. You should end up with
$$ 1 = (\frac{(-2X+2)-(1-2X)}{(1-2X)(X-1)})\frac{dX}{dt} $$
where you can simplify to prove that $$ t = ln(\frac{1-2X}{X-1})$$ is a particular solution where C = 0
 
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DrClaude said:
You error is in this step. You didn't distribute the factor of 2 correctly.
In that link, I don't understand how they can go from
$$
\frac{2 dX}{2X-1} - \frac{dX}{X-1} = dt
$$
to
$$
2dX - dX = (2X-1)(X-1) dt
$$

$$\frac{-2dX}{1-2X} - \frac{dX}{X-1} \equiv \frac{dX}{(1-2X)(X-1)}$$
by partial fractions.

Therefore, by multiplying by $$(1-2X)(X-1)$$ we're left with
$$-2dX(X-1)-dX(1-2X) = (1-2X)(X-1)dt $$
$$ -2XdX + 2dX - dX + 2XdX = (1-2X)(X-1)dt $$ and our 2XdX's cancel out.
 
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vanceEE said:
$$\frac{-2dX}{1-2X} - \frac{dX}{X-1} \equiv \frac{dX}{(1-2X)(X-1)}$$

Geez. I read ##(2X-1)## where it was written ##(1-2X)##. :redface:
 
DrClaude said:
Geez. I read ##(2X-1)## where it was written ##(1-2X)##. :redface:

The initial differential equation, independent of the assumption that X < 0 was $$ \frac{dX}{dt} = (1-2X)(X-1) $$
 
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