Impulse: Finding the average force

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the average force exerted by a 2kg axe head moving at 60m/sec as it penetrates a log by 20mm. The discussion centers around the concepts of impulse and momentum, particularly in the context of a collision where the axe comes to rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between momentum and impulse, questioning the appropriate equations to use given the lack of mass for the log. There is also a focus on the change in velocity of the axe and the implications of the axe coming to rest.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the analysis of the axe's momentum change, while others are questioning assumptions about the log's mass and the average speed of the axe during the impact.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the mass of the log, which affects the calculations. Participants are also considering the implications of the axe coming to rest and how that impacts the average force calculation.

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Homework Statement



The 2kg head of an axe is moving at 60m/sec when it strikes a log. If the blade of an axe penetrates a 20mm into the log, find the average force it exerts.

m= 2kg
V= 60m/sec
d= 20mm or 0.02m

Homework Equations



F= pFINAL - pINITIAL / time
t= d/v

The Attempt at a Solution



m1v1 = axe
m2v2 = log

t = 0.02/60
= 3.33sec
F = [m1v1 + m2v2] - [m1v1 + m2v2] / time
= [(2kg)(60m/sec)+(m2)(0)] - [(2kg)(m2)(0)] / time
= (120 kg.m/sec + m2) / time ?

^ considering the log has 0 velocity? but has no mass given?

I solved for the time then used the impulse formula pFINAL-pINITIAL/time but since there is no mass of the log given I'm baffled because I feel like I'm using the wrong equations. I was lost if I should find the momentum or impulse since the axe makes contact with the log. I'm really bad at physics, your help is so appreciated :(
 
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impstudies said:
t = 0.02/60
= 3.33sec
Don't assume the speed is constant. The axe comes to rest. (What's the average speed of the axe?)
F = [m1v1 + m2v2] - [m1v1 + m2v2] / time
= [(2kg)(60m/sec)+(m2)(0)] - [(2kg)(m2)(0)] / time
= (120 kg.m/sec + m2) / time ?

^ considering the log has 0 velocity? but has no mass given?
Forget about the log. Just analyze the change in momentum of the axe.
 
i assume the speed here is the velocity?
the axe comes to rest so its Vf = 0, with Vi = 60 m/sec

= vf-vi
= 0-60
= -60m/sec

is that right?
 
impstudies said:
i assume the speed here is the velocity?
the axe comes to rest so its Vf = 0, with Vi = 60 m/sec

= vf-vi
= 0-60
= -60m/sec

is that right?
You found the change in speed. If you want to calculate the time for the axe to come to rest, you need the average speed.
 

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