Impurities Impact Melting & Freezing: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of impurities on the melting and freezing points of substances, particularly focusing on how these points differ for pure substances compared to impure ones. It explores theoretical concepts, practical implications, and specific examples, including water and its unique properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that for pure substances, melting occurs at the same temperature as freezing, while impurities disrupt this relationship.
  • One participant explains that adding an impurity to a pure liquid results in a measurable depression of the freezing point and an elevation of the boiling point, leading to a new lower freezing temperature.
  • Another participant questions why cooling/heating curves with stationary temperatures apply only to pure substances and seeks an explanation for the range of melting temperatures in impure substances.
  • A participant suggests studying colligative properties as a relevant concept to understand the behavior of impurities.
  • One participant challenges the notion that the melting and freezing points are the same for water, citing various conditions under which water behaves differently, including atmospheric pressure variations and the presence of impurities.
  • Another participant proposes that differences in pressure may contribute to the observed phenomena in water's freezing behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between melting and freezing points in pure versus impure substances. There is no consensus on the specific mechanisms or explanations for the behavior of water under various conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific properties and behaviors of water, including its freezing point under different atmospheric conditions and the effects of impurities, without resolving the underlying complexities or assumptions involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying physical chemistry, materials science, or anyone curious about the effects of impurities on phase transitions in substances.

Jadaav
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"For a pure substance, melting occurs at the same temperature as freezing."

Does it means that if impurities are added, then the melting point of the substance is not at the same temperature as freezing ?

If yes, how you would explain this ?
 
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Does it means that if impurities are added, then the melting point of the substance is not at the same temperature as freezing ?

If yes, how you would explain this ?

Fair question.

Ask yourself this first.

You can add an impurity to a pure liquid and freeze the result.

But how would you add an impurity to a solid and melt it?


OK so say we take pure water and add a shovel of salt.
We can measure the depression of freezing point (and the elevation of boiling point) and define a new lower freezing temperature - dependent upon the amount of impurity added.

So now we have an impure solid.

Say we now reheat this.

We will find that the impure solid does not melt at a constant temperature but over a range and no clearly defined melting point can be established.

This emphasizes that cooling/heating curves with stationary temperatures at transition work for pure substances only.

Does this help?
 
OK.

So why does the cooling/heating curves with stationary temperatures only apply for pure substances ? Why does impurities make the substance melt over a range of temperatures ?

What makes impurities do that ?
 
Thanks again. That's really going to be helpful to me.
 
I'm going through the Colligative properties from the site above. It mentions Vapor pressure. I've searched on Wikipedia and it says that it "is the pressure of a vapor in thermodynamic equilibrium with its condensed phases in a closed system."

What does it mean ?

At boiling point, the vapor pressure and the environmental pressure acting on the liquid equals each other. Same here!
 
Jadaav said:
"For a pure substance, melting occurs at the same temperature as freezing."

This is not true for water. In the free atmosphere, ice melts at 0.01°C. Pure atmospheric water does not usually freeze at that temperature. Water containing icing nuclei and/or "icing ions" may or may not freeze at that point, and we don't really know why it does or doesn't.

Pure water has been found in the atmosphere at temperatures as low as -42°C. Droplets of pure water can vaporize, condense, collide, merge, and fragment at temperatures well below the triple point without freezing. Most wintertime clouds are composed of water droplets at temperatures far below the triple point.

Contrariwise, in pressured pipelines, water may freeze to form stable clathrates at temperatures as high as 18°C. In plant tissues, at normal atmospheric pressures, ice may form at temperatures as high as 4°C.

There is no single freezing point for pure atmospheric water.

Water is weird.
 
I think it due to the difference in pressure ?
 

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