In Canada, 80% is an A-, in the States, it's a B-. Does that mean....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the comparison of grading systems between Canada and the United States, particularly focusing on the implications of differing percentage thresholds for letter grades. Participants explore whether these differences indicate variations in educational rigor, cultural factors, or grading conventions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the differences in grading systems may reflect cultural differences rather than a straightforward comparison of educational difficulty.
  • One participant proposes that Canadian and US grading systems are analogous to different currencies, requiring a conversion to understand their relative value.
  • A participant shares their experience of having flexibility in grading practices, indicating that the distribution of grades can be influenced by the instructor's discretion.
  • Another participant questions the ability to compare grades across different programs or institutions, suggesting that institutional regulations may play a significant role in grading standards.
  • Some participants note that final letter grades are often the only grades recorded officially, with numeric grades kept privately, which may complicate comparisons.
  • There is mention of "fudge factors" used by professors to adjust grades based on exam difficulty, indicating variability in grading practices.
  • A participant describes their observations of student behaviors during help sessions as indicative of their performance level, suggesting that qualitative assessments may complement numeric grades.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the grading systems reflect educational rigor or cultural differences. There is no consensus on the implications of these differences, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the ease of comparing grades across countries.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in grading practices across institutions and the potential influence of individual instructor discretion on grade assignments. The discussion acknowledges the complexity of comparing educational standards across different educational systems.

  • #31
bobob said:
This is a poor way of assigning grades. A much better way is for the instructor to write an exam with some idea of what he/she should represent what the average student in the class should know and set that as an average score. After grading the papers, make a histogram of the numerical grades, possibly adjust expectations a little and then look for natural divisions between clusters of scores that can be used to differentiate, say, an A- from a B+, where the numerical score itself is not relevant other than to place the scores into bins. The scores WILL fall into clusters (which may seem surprising, but try it and see).

If you decide that the average score should be 50% and that represents a B or a C or whatever, then simply placing cutoffs between clusters will do the rest. This also allows you to use the entire numerical range from 0-100% meaningfully instead of being restricted to artificially predetermined percentages, grading on a curve or other rather arbitrary ways of assigning grades.

And then you apply a piece-wise linear transformation so that the grade boundaries follow those prescribed by the institution.
 
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  • #32
In my opinion, there is no objective meaning to a cutoff of 70%, 80%, 90% for an A, B or C. Depending on how questions are designed, getting less than 100% might indicate you don’t understand the material. Or maybe getting anything right at all might indicate you have learned the material.

For an example from elementary school, showing that you can add fractions with different denominators. If you understand it, you will get close to 100%. Anything significantly less than 100% means you don’t understand the concepts.
 
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