stoned said:
well... I provided Yonoz with example of Israeli soldier murdering palestinian school girl in a cold blood (she's not the only one), and I'm waiting what he has to say and would like to see example of palestinians killing on purpose jewish kids.
Now that I know which one of the incidents on that page you were referring to, I can answer your question. First I'll say IMO that girl's death was not justified. Now we can turn to the details of this case:
Most of the controversy in this matter was raised by the fact Iman al-Hams was shot over 20 times, not because she was initially shot. The shooter, the company's commanding officer, was put on trial for the illegal use of a weapon, obstruction of justice, conduct unbecoming an officer, and abuse of authority (the officer raised the subject after the incident in a talk with his troops). During this trial it was discovered some of the soldiers lied as part of an ongoing disobedience in the company (one of the prosecution's witnesses confessed to it in a dramatic moment during the trial). Because of his failure to control his troops and lack of leadership that officer was suspended.
Iman was shot in a clearly marked restricted zone, nowhere near her school (as a matter of fact, her school was in the opposite direction to the shooting from her house). These restricted zones surround Israeli settlements and bases so that passing-by civilian population will cannot be used as cover for attacks on them. They are marked and no one enters them. During my military service I saw some children and mentally ill adults enter these zones. On a few occassions we managed to spot someone observing them from a safe distance. In Iman's case, an observation post video shows a figure somewhere in the vicinity (some reports claim it is 50m away but you can never tell), which stays during the shooting and moves away later. In my case, we gathered it was a way of testing our defences, as we would not harm these individuals but would send a patrol to the area or fire at dead spots to get them to back away. By probing our responses in that way they could choose the best places sneak past our observations. This suspicion was confirmed by intelligence data. Sometimes these approaches would be twice or three times a day, moving in a linear pattern along the perimeter. In that particular case, the girl must have done something to make the soldiers think she was an immediate threat, such as walking directly towards them with a backpack, as they fired at her with intent to kill (IMO this is where a mistake was made). When considering the soldiers' actions, you should keep in mind the
use of Palestinian children in suicide bombings and other types of violence. These http://www.operationsick.com/articles/20010515_arafatschildren.asp sometimes against the family's wishes, but sometimes http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=22380 .
Iman was initially shot from one of the posts, 70m away, and later from a closer range by that officer. It isn't clear which of the shootings killed her. She was carrying a backpack which she dropped after the first shot.
stoned said:
There were propably instances where jewish kids died in bombings, but whoever did that was mentally sick
I doubt it, but this violence is accepted and supported by the PA and by the Palestinian society, and there are no Palestinian movements or individuals even calling for this to change. In contrast, this event dominated Israeli discussions and media reports and editorials for weeks. I'm sure if you run a google search on the topic you'll find plenty of Israelis criticizing the IDF and persons involved this event.
stoned said:
however israeli officer killed her in cold blood with premeditation.
What makes you so certain of this? You read a short, unprofessional article on a blatant pro-Palestinian site and you think that qualifies you to make that judgement? It isn't even clear whether he killed her or the first shots from the post did. I agree it's an unnecessary death but you are taking this too far.
stoned said:
Until this accident i never suspected Israeli army doing things like that, soldiers are highly trained people they know rules of war or do they ??
This is not conventional warfare. As I showed, Palestinian terror organisations use children and teenagers to perform acts of violence. They http://www.operationsick.com/articles/20040325_pachildbomber.asp and as ways of probing Israeli defences. The IDF stopped a short practice of boobytrapping discovered ambush locations after a group of children with a handcart who were apparently sent into further prepare it activated the explosive. I have personaly seen children who had obviously no idea what they were doing try to storm a settlement with knives. In their backpacks we found rough sketches of the area and some pieces of cloth from the one of the youth-movements there. It was obvious someone else had put them up to it. In such horrible realities, telling who's a threat and who isn't is very difficult. If you were standing at the same post for several weeks and then one day a figure with a backpack started walking towards you in a restricted zone that no-one enters, you'd be singing a different song.
