In what way do we still not understand gravity?

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The discussion centers on the understanding of gravity, particularly in the context of Einstein's general relativity and its relationship with quantum mechanics. Participants explore the philosophical and scientific aspects of gravity, questioning the mechanisms behind it and the discrepancies between established theories.

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  • One participant describes general relativity as a beautiful explanation of gravity through the geometry of curved space-time, suggesting that this framework is sufficient for understanding gravity.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of gravitons, implying a quantum mechanical perspective on gravity.
  • A link is provided to a source listing discrepancies and unknowns related to gravity, indicating that there are unresolved issues in the current understanding.
  • It is noted that general relativity and quantum mechanics are fundamentally incompatible when addressing gravity, particularly at high energies and small scales, leading to challenges in unifying these theories.
  • Participants mention the historical unification of forces at the universe's birth and question why gravity is significantly weaker than the other fundamental forces.
  • A suggestion is made that reconciling general relativity and quantum mechanics in a quantum theory of gravity could lead to significant recognition in the scientific community.

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Participants express differing views on the understanding of gravity, with some emphasizing the adequacy of general relativity while others highlight the challenges posed by quantum mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental mechanisms of gravity and the compatibility of existing theories.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations in current theories, including the philosophical implications of understanding gravity and the unresolved nature of discrepancies between general relativity and quantum mechanics.

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I've always thought that Einstein's theory of general relativity was quite beautiful, it explained gravity as merely an intertial tendency of objects to move in straight lines (albeit different kinds of straight lines defined to be paths of greatest proper time) in a curved space-time. This explains why it's so distant from other forces in the standard model, because it's really a result of geometry.

In what way do we still not understand the mechanism of gravity? It would seem that this is quite explanatory. I do not doubt the claims that we don't quite understand it, as our knowledge of something is never entirely certain, but objects travel in straight lines seems to be a good enough reasons for the effects of the so called "gravity". Is it just a stagnant philosophical struggle that we do not quite understand gravity, or is there more to this claim?
 
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There are two ways of approaching physics that are proven: Relativity and Quantum Mechanics...both of which can be compatible with the standard model. According to relativity, spacetime is smooth and bending spacetime is an inherent property of matter...much like inertia.
According to QM, spacetime is much different. It isn't smooth, and gravity is projected by a massless, spin 2 boson called a graviton.
The reason we don't understand gravity is that quantum mechanics and general relativity are incompatible at the energies and distances on which gravity is a factor in both theories. Infinite energies and other odd things pop up.
Remember, gravity, the weak force, the strong force, and the electromagnetic force were all unified at the universes birth, so it is necessary to calculate massive velocities and densities(problems suited for general relativity) as well as very small time scales and distances(problems suited for QM) when studying the origin of the universe. One mystery of gravity is why it has turned out to be so much weaker than the other three forces.
If you find a way to reconcile the two in a quantum theory of gravity, you'll win the nobel prize, and should probably look at the Riemann Hypothesis next :)
 

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